Mecky Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Quite. If you are determined to support yourself and you can't get a job where you are, then you have to move to where the jobs are. If you are not prepared to support yourself and the state will only provide a set amount of money to support you, why should you not be expected to move to where the money is adequate? So there are 3 million unemployed. If they all moved to London or wherever, there wouldn't be any unemployed? Yeah right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordonb Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Whatever government is/will be in power there has to be a start made sometime towards living within our means. What this legislation does is send out a message for the future that you can have as many kids as you want or live wherever you want but you will only receive a maximum of £26k from the rest of us. Some genuine cases such as medical disabilities will get caught up in this and there has to be a method of individual assessments by a panel of doctors to ensure these people get additional help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottedplant Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 It's a limit of £26k per household & it includes all their benefits, including housing benefit & child benefit. All the 'paid for' stuff is included in the £26k cap & it's for the whole household. If they were renting a 4 bedroom house that's £7.8k/year in housing benefit in Sheffield, much more in areas where rents are higher. In Enfield in London the 4 bedroom housing benefit rate is £18.2k per year, leaving them less than £8k/year to live off, for a family of 6, in London. If the father leaves the house, it's two households, so double the limit, maybe he could take one or two of the kids. They'd have to move out & split the house based on the benefit cap. They might get two 3 bedroom houses instead of one four bedroom house. Benefits haven't kept up with wage increases (except for housing benefit), or the inflation on basic essentials, so the dole you claimed was probably more generous than they get now in real terms. It's only really going to affect disabled, people with large families & people that live in London. A well explained post. The scenorio you describe (split families) is happening already though. I know of a family who live on the same street - grandma, mum/ dad, child with baby.......all in 2 bed houses - all on benefits. Thats 6 bedrooms being provided for 4 adults and a baby. All paid for. All related to each other. And the child with baby has a boyfriend - who has his own 1 bedroom house. So thats 4 houses, 7 bedrooms for 5 adults and baby. Is the morally , socially or economically acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottedplant Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 It's a limit of £26k per household & it includes all their benefits, including housing benefit & child benefit. All the 'paid for' stuff is included in the £26k cap & it's for the whole household. If they were renting a 4 bedroom house that's £7.8k/year in housing benefit in Sheffield, much more in areas where rents are higher. In Enfield in London the 4 bedroom housing benefit rate is £18.2k per year, leaving them less than £8k/year to live off, for a family of 6, in London. If the father leaves the house, it's two households, so double the limit, maybe he could take one or two of the kids. They'd have to move out & split the house based on the benefit cap. They might get two 3 bedroom houses instead of one four bedroom house. Benefits haven't kept up with wage increases (except for housing benefit), or the inflation on basic essentials, so the dole you claimed was probably more generous than they get now in real terms. It's only really going to affect disabled, people with large families & people that live in London. Re bold - if he did that why ought he to be rehoused at the taxpayers expense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 A well explained post. The scenorio you describe (split families) is happening already though. I know of a family who live on the same street - grandma, mum/ dad, child with baby.......all in 2 bed houses - all on benefits. Thats 6 bedrooms being provided for 4 adults and a baby. All paid for. All related to each other. And the child with baby has a boyfriend - who has his own 1 bedroom house. So thats 4 houses, 7 bedrooms for 5 adults and baby. Is the morally , socially or economically acceptable? how many have your extended family do you have living with you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottedplant Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 how many have your extended family do you have living with you ? Non of my family are in housing being paid for by others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Non of my family are in housing being paid for by others. well think yourself fortunate and people less fortunate at least have a home provided for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottedplant Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 well think yourself fortunate and people less fortunate at least have a home provided for them They can gladly have a home which I will pay towards. I just fail to see why they need 4. For the family set up I described 2 houses should be sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 They can gladly have a home which I will pay towards. I just fail to see why they need 4. For the family set up I described 2 houses should be sufficient. so why should mum and dad share with grandma? do you live with yours ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottedplant Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 so why should mum and dad share with grandma? do you live with yours ? See previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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