go4it Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Can you not see the inherent violence and scarcity in having to barter something and get something in return, take this example... What about you taking another persons chickens in return for your bail of hey. Those chickens of his may have been his last 2 chickens for the week, meaning he has to live in scarcity and without food thus meaning him and his family will starve. You have to see the chain reaction in all this, while he is starving he will most likely be angry and steel someone elses chickens, thus leaving them without, if you actually see between the lines you will see I am right. Well if him with his last 2 chickens would get off his backside and work then he would be able to feed his family. Do you have a job yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Instead of eating his last 2 chickens and starving, if he learned how to make omlets he could use 2 of his 4 daily eggs to feed his family with the help of 1 eggs worth of milk from his neighbour, while saving up the other egg to buy a 3rd chicken of the end of the week. In just one year he'll be the Chicken King and his children will be healthy and egg shaped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairDooz Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 We have a stronger manufacturing sector than we've ever had in the past. That's clearly nonsense. ??? manufacturing ... only accounts for maybe 13% of total UK GDP. Back in 2002 manufacturing as a percentage of GDP had been around 20%, in 1979 it was around 30% and back in 1946 it was an altogether healthy 40%. Set against the fact that consumption has risen dramatically through the period that manufacturing has declined brings the point that we are just not manufacturing nearly enough of the goods we use here at home. I thought everybody understood this trend? Are we talking about the same thing? http://blogs.birminghampost.net/business/2010/12/uk-manufacturing---expanding-b.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Why the obsession with manufacturing needing to be a huge number as a % of GDP? The UK is pretty much the same as all the other nations like us, and we've had the 6th / 7th largest output in the world for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 ??? manufacturing ... only accounts for maybe 13% of total UK GDP. That's only relevant if you care about how large a fraction of our total economy is based on manufacturing. The plain fact is that we make more things, and sell them for more money, than we ever have done before. Other parts of our economy have grown more quickly, so manufacturing is a smaller slice of the cake, but that's immaterial to the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Can you not see the inherent violence and scarcity in having to barter something and get something in return, ... Or you get on the Bus and say to the driver "One chicken 40 Eggs please", hand over 2 chickens and put the 60 eggs change in your pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Hang a moment, I think the OP has missed the point. Didn't the previous government put an end to boom and bust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Demon Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 If we had a world of such abundance that was also technically advanced and fully automated meaning machines do everything, then there would be no need for someone to work in 40+ hour job a week for a company or government who makes absolutely no social contribution at all. If you would only see the benefits of full automation then you will see what I mean, there would be no businesses to run or staff to be paid which in turn makes money totally irrelevant to which we would not need it at all. The only loony bins here is those not willing to see my perspectives on things, for instance, instead of a barter and monetary system which is totally outdated now and is flawed from the bottom up, instead of having the need to buy things like a car or washing machine or tools for building things with, anything, instead have a library system where people go and borrow something from a local resource centre for free, take what you need for that given time and porpoise, then return after it has been used. There would be no need for someone to live in a big mansion with 3 cars and 2 jets in the lawn because everything would be easily attained for a porpoise by everyone and then returned to a central place, rather like a shopping trolley or rental system only on a much more altruistic level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 The only loony bins here is those not willing to see my perspectives on things........ And here ends the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 There would be no need for someone to live in a big mansion with 3 cars and 2 jets in the lawn because everything would be easily attained for a porpoise by everyone and then returned to a central place, rather like a shopping trolley or rental system only on a much more altruistic level. Ah, I think we see where you're coming from now. What about dolphins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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