ferno Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 My understanding was the cartoon was about Jesus and mo? Turning the other cheek was something Jesus was quite keen on in my understanding. It's not the Christians who are complaining. Depicting Mohammed as a drunk is not constructive or helpful or sensible. I think in the case of the 'Jesus and Mo' story, I would probably sympathise with Muslims who felt angry, even if I wouldn't support censorship. Free speech is an essential part of a democracy, but with the right comes a responsibility to use it wisely. It is well known that alcohol is banned in Islam and the secularists at UCL will have been fully aware of that. To depict Mohamammed as a drunk shows a shocking lack of basic sensitivity and it is difficult to say that I really sympathise with the secularists, even if the reaction from some Islamic extremists was unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 You're not an infidel, it's not my religion, I used to work at the LSE. I fear this debate is way over your head, you appear unable to make a sensible contribution, would you be happier on a football thread? Was you one of the ones taking back handers bribes off Saif Al-Islam Gaddafi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 It's not the Christians who are complaining. Depicting Mohammed as a drunk is not constructive or helpful or sensible. I think in the case of the 'Jesus and Mo' story, I would probably sympathise with Muslims who felt angry, even if I wouldn't support censorship. Free speech is an essential part of a democracy, but with the right comes a responsibility to use it wisely. It is well known that alcohol is banned in Islam and the secularists at UCL will have been fully aware of that. To depict Mohamammed as a drunk shows a shocking lack of basic sensitivity and it is difficult to say that I really sympathise with the secularists, even if the reaction from some Islamic extremists was unacceptable. And the cartoons depict Muhamed as a drunk do they? You have evidence of this do you? Even if they did, so what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syne Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Are you not aware that for Muslims the depiction of any prophet (including Jesus Christ) is strictly forbidden? I'm not a muslim so QED I can draw mohammed. problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 And the cartoons depict Muhamed as a drunk do they? You have evidence of this do you? Would you like to find out what this story is actually about before defending the cartoons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 How do you know Mohammed didn't enjoy alcohol? He might have even participated in homosexual behaviour for all we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 It's not the Christians who are complaining. Depicting Mohammed as a drunk is not constructive or helpful or sensible. I think in the case of the 'Jesus and Mo' story, I would probably sympathise with Muslims who felt angry, even if I wouldn't support censorship. Free speech is an essential part of a democracy, but with the right comes a responsibility to use it wisely. It is well known that alcohol is banned in Islam and the secularists at UCL will have been fully aware of that. To depict Mohamammed as a drunk shows a shocking lack of basic sensitivity and it is difficult to say that I really sympathise with the secularists, even if the reaction from some Islamic extremists was unacceptable. I'm no islamic theologian but I'm 100% sure booze only got banned by mo/allah after mo's chaps were too drunk to fight in some battle. It certainly was not always banned. So i think you're being a bit over sensetive on behalf of our peaceful muslim chums. Let free speech ring and screw the easilly offended of all stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syne Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Yes it does for a very obvious reason: I find a much of what many Muslims say offensive, should they be forced into silence on my account? Likewise I find much of what many Christians, neo-liberals, socialists... say offensive. Should they all be forced into silence on my account? If mere offence is enough to prohibit expression then pretty much all expression will be forbidden as there's always somebody ready to take offence at pretty much anything. nicely put. However this only works should you actually give a monkeys of anothers' opinion (in either direction) Consideration is usually lacking in those who demand consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 no they don't. I'll mock what i please. If you don't like it... well you could mock me back, or ignore me or, well you you could say that I can't do what I want and must do as you say, what are you my master? Yep, you could do that if you really wanted. What you probably shouldn't do is post the cartoons on your own student society webpage, thereby breaching the university's code on respect and inclusion. "The LSE Students' Union would like to reiterate that we strongly condemn and stand against any form of racism and discrimination on campus. The offensive nature of the content on the Facebook page is not in accordance with our values of tolerance, diversity, and respect for all students regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality or religious affiliation. There is a special need in a Students' Union to balance freedom of speech and to ensure access to all aspects of the LSESU for all the ethnic and religious minority communities that make up the student body at the LSE." http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/01/lse-students-union-being-manipulated-by-determined-activists-over-mohammed-cartoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Would you like to find out what this story is actually about before defending the cartoons? So you don't have any evidence then, you're just making stuff up as you go along, gotcha. Incidentally I've been an on and off reader of Jesus & Mo for many years, they depict Jesus & Mo as having the occasional beer. But even if the cartoons depicted Jesus & Mo as raging alcohols what of it? Is depicting Mo as liking the occasional beer more or less "offensive" than common Islamic teachings about the relative value of men and women and what should happen to homosexuals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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