MrSmith Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Claiming that it always existed doesn't answer the problem. You haven't explained what caused it to always exist. There were two possibilities, something exists or something doesn’t exist. We know the universe exists and we don't know if nothing is possible. The only conclusion is that the universe as always existed, until it is proven that nothing is possible there is no point in assuming it is, because that would require a leap of faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 There were two possibilities, something exists or something doesn’t exist. We know the universe exists and we don't know if nothing is possible. The only conclusion is that the universe as always existed, until it is proven that nothing is possible there is no point in assuming it is, because that would require a leap of faith. What caused it to always exist? You haven't answered the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quisquose Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 What caused it to always exist? You haven't answered the question. What caused that which caused it to always exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 What caused it to always exist? You haven't answered the question. Why does it need a cause? It was a 50-50 possibility, a universe was just as likely as nothing, and because we can prove the universe exists it makes it significantly more likely that it as always existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 What caused that which caused it to always exist? Well, that's rather the point. Claiming that everything must have a cause just sends you into an infinite regressive loop, or forces you to contradict yourself; ergo, not everything must have a cause. Once you've accepted that - as you inevitably must - then it's pointless looking for what caused the Universe to pop into existence 14 billion years or so ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Well, that's rather the point. Claiming that everything must have a cause just sends you into an infinite regressive loop, or forces you to contradict yourself; ergo, not everything must have a cause. Once you've accepted that - as you inevitably must - then it's pointless looking for what caused the Universe to pop into existence 14 billion years or so ago. You making an assumption that it did pop into existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloomdido Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 God has to exist because 'the koran' is the word of god. It couldn't be the word of god if god didn't exist. Many Islamic scholars have looked into this and they all verify that 'the koran' is the indisputable word of god. Same for the bible too, except the Islamic scholars don't agree and the content seems to be a lot more disputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 You making an assumption that it did pop into existence. Making the alternative assumption leads to a contradiction, therefore it must be false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 God has to exist because 'the koran' is the word of god. That's not evidence. If I define a word that means "the infallible authority of the Flying Spaghetti Monster," that is not proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. It just means I made up a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Making the alternative assumption leads to a contradiction, therefore it must be false. Where is the contradiction in a statement that says the universe as always existed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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