mapleboy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 what is it with that part of the world ? Egypt, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia etc etc etc are their governments really all that corrupt and think so little of their own people/infrastructureYes they are and do, with knobs whistles and bells on I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Dome Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 How do you come to that conclusion Einstein? No need to get upset and sarcy. Its your wet dreams of Arabs turning on Israel that are blindingly obvious. Because that went so well in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Dome Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Check this out; Leaked Emails Show George Galloway Plotted Gaza Flotilla With Assad’s Regime its all coming out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMoran Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 The only intervention that they need is dragging out of the dark ages of fundamental Islam. If the troops do go in they want to hit them hard and take over, relinquishing Islam and replacing it with common sense. Sounds like a crusade your talking about there. Hasent that been tried before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesufc1 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 And all the while, the vile Syrian regime denies all this. How sick and cowardly can you get ? am i correct in thinking Iran are the main people behind why they dont want this country to fall? unlike the other Arab springs, if Syria falls Iran will be next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Dome Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 am i correct in thinking Iran are the main people behind why they dont want this country to fall? unlike the other Arab springs, if Syria falls Iran will be next Although Iran is not an Arab country, its backward regime makes it as good bad as. But yes, both need to fall, and then we have the little problem of Hezbollah-infested Lebanon. Together the 3 are totally inter-connected with Iran being the head of the snake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muldoon Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Does the Arab league have the will and the troops to sort out Syria? I hope you're not suggesting that Westerners should poke their noses into Arab affairs? Enough of their rather large noses are 'poked' in our affairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CXC3000 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 am i correct in thinking Iran are the main people behind why they dont want this country to fall? unlike the other Arab springs, if Syria falls Iran will be next I'd say you'd be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Are the M-1A2 Abrams tanks (supplied by the US to Saudi Arabia) really that crappy? The Saudis also have Tornadoes, F-15s, Apache and Little Birds. The Jordanians have F-16s, F-5E/Fs, Mirages and Cobras. (More crap with reverse gears only ) They also have Challengers and some (rather dated) Centurions. The Arabs should be able to sort their own problems out. Though I do wonder (with the possible exception of Jordan) whether the majority of Arab states are talking out of the sides of their mouths? How many of them would genuinely be happy to see the people in a neighbouring state take control? I wonder whether any Arab 'ruler' thinks: "Well, if that upstart Assad kills a few thousand of his people, it might make my people think twice about deposing me" ? You can stick any dummy in state of the art military hardware but that dont make it work. The Egyptian army was equipped with Soviet T-54 tanks during the 1967 six day war. They buried the tanks up to the turrets in sand and used them as field artillery instead. When the Israeli tanks ( I believe they might have been British Centurions) attacked the Egyptian tank crews abandoned theirs and fled barefoot. This is what I heard anyway. You're far more the expert than I on such matters so correct me if I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapleboy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Harleyman, entirely correct, sophisticated modern military hardware needs skilled and well trained technicians to maintain it. Such people are pretty rare birds in the Arab military as the rulers of any given Arab country don't like to have their military too efficient, as they'd run the risk of a coup. When working, the kit needs well trained operators too - again something Arabs aren't particularly good at. This is mostly down to the hierarchical structure of Arab armed forces, where knowledge is power and initiative NOT encouraged. The (often low) level of education of the general population is also a factor which doesn't tend to make for an efficient fighting force. Then tribal/clan politics starts to kick in and it just makes a mockery of the whole tottering edifice. Your basic Arab army is good for intimidating the local populace and keeping the incumbent despot in power - but modern combined operations against a well trained and equipped foe, well that's just going to end very badly for the Arab, as has been demonstrated several times since the end of WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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