anywebsite Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 The police do appear to on occasions say they are treating an attack as racially motivated. Greater Manchester Police confirmed the attack at 7pm on October 19 was being treated as a racially motivated incident. That report was a week later & they shouted racist abuse at him. This is still just a few days after the attack & it was reported that no racist abuse was heard in this case. However that story proves the point that racist attacks on white people are prosecuted & reported on as racist attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 That report was a week later & they shouted racist abuse at him. This is still just a few days after the attack & it was reported that no racist abuse was heard in this case. I was only clarifying that the police are happy to call an attack on a white man by non white men a race crime when they think it is a race crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Thank you, I knew that hate crime covered all sorts like homophobia ect, so what your saying is its early days yet and the reason the term racial attack has not been mentioned is due to it not been ascertained if that was the case or not yet ? You still haven't established that the police haven't said they suspect it was a racially motivated attack. It was called a racial attack in the guardian. And from this.. http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1478804_hyde-race-hate-attack-21-year-old-man-arrested "THE POLICE ARE TREATING THE ATTACK AS A RACE HATE CRIME" I repeat, this thread is based on a conclusion you have jumped to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famillyguy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Why, was it you? jb i simply took a look at the state of the poor kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Isn't hate crime the overall categorisation for crimes motivated by hatred toward the victim because of a number of possible factors, race being one of them? So a racist attack would always be a hate crime, but a hate crime is not necessarily a racist attack (it could be because someone was gay/disabled etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anywebsite Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 You still haven't established that the police haven't said they suspect it was a racially motivated attack. It was called a racial attack in the guardian. I repeat, this thread is based on a conclusion you have jumped to. No story that I've seen has reported that the police have said this was a racially motivated attack. Newspapers often 'make stuff up' & publish opinion as fact. Particularly in headlines, nowadays they think about SEO, especially the Guardian & Mail. It's unsourced, it only appears in the headline & the rest of the article doesn't mention race once, the article just says the guy was arrested on suspicion of gbh. [edit] Just read the manchester evening news, but still they don't put anybody's name next to that claim, they don't say which police officer has said that. Sometimes newspapers make stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Thank you, I knew that hate crime covered all sorts like homophobia ect, so what your saying is its early days yet and the reason the term racial attack has not been mentioned is due to it not been ascertained if that was the case or not yet ? I don't really know anything about this particular case beyond hearing a brief report on the radio & reading the thread. It sounds like the police are treating it as a possible racist attack (what other kind of hate would it be?) it's just that the Sun didn't pick up on that. On the subject of hate crime many people seem unaware of the reasoning behind treating them somewhat differently from other cases of assault, property damage and so forth so I thought I'd briefly go into that. The reasoning is that using this (alleged obviously) case as an example; by attacking an individual white person just because they're white the Asian gang aren't just victimising him but they're also attempting to intimidate and thus victimise all white people. Specifically the white people in that general area who may end up being scared to walk the streets and so forth for fear of racial attack. Hate crimes also create the risk of retaliatory hate crime from members of the victimised group, it's that risk and the attempt to intimidate and control the group that the individual victim belongs to that arguably justifies punishing hate crime with greater severity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadogo Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I don't really know anything about this particular case beyond hearing a brief report on the radio & reading the thread. It sounds like the police are treating it as a possible racist attack (what other kind of hate would it be?) it's just that the Sun didn't pick up on that. On the subject of hate crime many people seem unaware of the reasoning behind treating them somewhat differently from other cases of assault, property damage and so forth so I thought I'd briefly go into that. The reasoning is that using this (alleged obviously) case as an example; by attacking an individual white person just because they're white the Asian gang aren't just victimising him but they're also attempting to intimidate and thus victimise all white people. Specifically the white people in that general area who may end up being scared to walk the streets and so forth for fear of racial attack. Hate crimes also create the risk of retaliatory hate crime from members of the victimised group, it's that risk and the attempt to intimidate and control the group that the individual victim belongs to that arguably justifies punishing hate crime with greater severity. It is a pity that your argument falls down in the last paragraph. Crimes against disabled people are harshly dealt with - is there much evidence of disabled people retaliating ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMoran Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 yes i do know that:rant: How? And why the shouty face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hard2miss Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 You still haven't established that the police haven't said they suspect it was a racially motivated attack. It was called a racial attack in the guardian. And from this.. http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1478804_hyde-race-hate-attack-21-year-old-man-arrested "THE POLICE ARE TREATING THE ATTACK AS A RACE HATE CRIME" I repeat, this thread is based on a conclusion you have jumped to. You have obviously skipped some of the posts. Is that Manchester newspaper gathering it story from the Guardian story, or a related media body to them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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