Shogun Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I am one of them who would vote for a donkey if it had red rosette stuck on it true, but I would sooner vote for a donkey than any torrie, I am a socialist and that will not change no matter how bad the government or the Sheffield council are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuy Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I am one of them who would vote for a donkey if it had red rosette stuck on it true but I would sooner vote for a donkey than any torrie I am a socialist and that will not change no matter how bad the government or the Sheffield council are, Only a die-hard Labourite Sheffielder would have zero punctuation and end the sentence with a comma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Save money for a rainy day and then what? Spend it when it rains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Accusing others of snarling while stating people's party allegiences is akin to Jews being marched to the gas chambers shows a complete lack of self awareness, & to be honest the Labour Party (or any mainstream party) is better off without your support. Work helps you be free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anywebsite Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 They subsidised my first proper job & made sure I was paid minimum wage for it. I wouldn't have got that job, or learnt a lot of the skills I have if it wasn't for that subsidy. However, they introduced university tuition fees. If I'd had a free university place then I might have learnt different skills & I'd have a recognised qualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradescanthia Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Mr Graham, you have such a big problem with Labour even existing as a political party that I suggest you seek counselling. You may even benefit by it. Counselling may prepare you mentally for Labour regaining control, as it certainly will, and may prevent you having a heart attack or a stroke............ Mind you, who cares if a Tory has a heart attack or a stroke, a spell in hospital followed by a period on benefits would give the average Tory a proper perspective on life. It could even stop him starting threads such as this on forums and encourage him to get a life..............................but then again, pigs might fly....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 [QUOTE=Jim Graham;8603891]Apart from a few spells working abroad and in other parts of the country I have lived in this city for more than 50 years. In all that time Labour have pretty much run the council and had two tries at running the country. The people of this city would vote Labour if a red rosette was pinned to a sheep. In God's name why? This city languishes at the bottom of almost every educational, cultural, economic and social measure you can name. We have debts of £2.1bn and a council management and leadership that seem hell bent on making things worse. They have spent years developing a culture of ignorance and stupidity that deters inward investment and when they get handed public money they squander it on useless projects and schemes that have no long term benefits. They have no plan and no ideas to change the situation. As a consequence of Labour running the city not only does it fail to attract investment but it's public services cannot attract the best the UK has to offer. We always have to make do with second or third rate losers. You only have to look at the council's management team to see that. When the chief constable job came up only TWO people from the whole of the UK expressed an interest in it and only one actually wanted it. The same goes in education where head teacher posts lie vacant all over the city. With all that unswerving support you would expect that Labour councillors would be grateful enough to help their supporters with jobs, housing, transport and life in general. You would expect a Labour government to be grateful enough to make sure their supporters received everything they need for a secure life. Instead they take their blind allegiance for granted and start on projects of their own knowing their followers will follow anywhere they go. Iraq, Afghanistan and The City for example. In Sheffield the muppets at the top decide that there is obviously enough jobs and hosuing for everyone so they invite the rest of the world to come here and live. They turn an already struggling city into a City of Sanctuary and leave their own supporters trying to find places to live while they welcome every colour, race and creed to come in and have whatever they need on the taxes of the people who do actually have jobs. By starting this thread all I want to know is: Why? I appreciate all constructive comments and I accept that Labour have helped some on the margins but most people simply vote Labour because....................... Labour have held power 3 times in the last 50 years. 1964-70, 1974- 79, 1997-2011 And you come on here berating people for not getting their facts correct Thanks. If that's the only thing you can find to criticise I can't be far wrong. And you missed the spelling mistake. Tut Tut you must try harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Mr Graham, you have such a big problem with Labour even existing as a political party that I suggest you seek counselling. You may even benefit by it. Counselling may prepare you mentally for Labour regaining control, as it certainly will, and may prevent you having a heart attack or a stroke............ Mind you, who cares if a Tory has a heart attack or a stroke, a spell in hospital followed by a period on benefits would give the average Tory a proper perspective on life. It could even stop him starting threads such as this on forums and encourage him to get a life..............................but then again, pigs might fly....... I think the real problem is not with me. You see, Labour's record is never put under scrutiny, certainly not by the Lib Dems. Nobody ever thinks. This is a Socialist enclave where thinking is symptomatic of an educated elite. Nobody can ever accuse this city of being educated. Sonia Sharp sees to that on behalf of the ruling party. In this city anyone who is educated is frowned upon. This is a city that worships at the feet of the idle, the stupid and the politcally correct. They just take for granted that Labour are the only solution to the problem. In reality they are the cause of the problem. Labour supporters don't like having their blind faith challenged in this way. There is almost a mediaeval religious ferver about the way people blindly follow Labour and anyone who doesn't is a Tory heretic. I am sure Comrade Dore would be happy to burn all her critics at the stake for being unbelievers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 but I would sooner vote for a donkey than any torrie What about Torrie Wilson? I'd vote for her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradescanthia Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I think the real problem is not with me. You see, Labour's record is never put under scrutiny, certainly not by the Lib Dems. Nobody ever thinks. This is a Socialist enclave where thinking is symptomatic of an educated elite. Nobody can ever accuse this city of being educated. Sonia Sharp sees to that on behalf of the ruling party. In this city anyone who is educated is frowned upon. This is a city that worships at the feet of the idle, the stupid and the politcally correct. They just take for granted that Labour are the only solution to the problem. In reality they are the cause of the problem. Labour supporters don't like having their blind faith challenged in this way. There is almost a mediaeval religious ferver about the way people blindly follow Labour and anyone who doesn't is a Tory heretic. I am sure Comrade Dore would be happy to burn all her critics at the stake for being unbelievers. I do believe that when you get a socialist elite then true, caring socialism goes out of the window..........a theme which George Orwell tries to show both in 1984 and in Animal Farm. It is up to ordinary members of both trade unions and the Labour Party to stop such elites in their tracks. As for education, my family has done reasonably well whilst living in Sheffield. One is an Engineering graduate [good grades as well] and the rest are well equiped to weather the current recession. I think the 'uneducated' would be the same no matter what party was in power, they are just not academic. In the days of steelworks, pits and foundries, these less fortunates would have had reasonably paid but more arduous physical jobs to do, thus enabling them to support their families and maintaining their self esteem. When the Thatcher govt. decided that manufacturing was not important and service industries and banking was the way forward, these less capable individuals were left out in the cold, the labouring jobs went to the wall and hard working men turned into the 'disenfranchised'. The Torys still dont understand the importance of engineering and technology, the recent fiasco at Forgemasters proved that. When it comes to getting an education I think a lot of the Torys have a lot to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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