xenia Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 F0rd knows I am right but can't admit it so resorts to hair splitting and semantics. He can spot a terminological inexactitude at 200 paces but can't see Socialist bullplop right under his nose. Have you been away? Jim, I have been in my cave contemplating. I am sorry to have to leave you to fight the good fight against the forces of darkness but am back now my brother, so you can be reassured that as Spurius Lartius said to Horatius at the Bridge, "I will stand at they right hand and keep the bridge with thee". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Lets see, are you too saying there were no bank bailouts after 2008? No but am am saying that in detail and spirit, in belief and philosophy, the way you see life, the way you react to truth. You are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Jim posting poorly thought through' date=' chip on both shoulders, reactionary, ranting nonsense with no evidence whatsoever to back it up? Never![/quote'] Your comment is unfair, Jim, like me takes a contrary view of the "truths" many on here espouse, for instance the value and relevance of most parts of the public service. He like me, believes that people should be rewarded on their actual value rather than their power to negotiate. He hates cronyism, he is highly suspicious of ALL politicians. I do not believe that just because he and I challenge the accepted view of the majority we are therefore "ranting" or overly reactionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 As usual it looks like they've cleared off in the face of inconvenient facts. Good to have back by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 To be honest I found the reactionary and aggressive back and forth put me off the entire thread. There was a chance that facets of economics could have been discussed, but simply accusing each other of knowing nothing whilst refusing to accept that you could yourself be wrong isn't the way to hold an adult conversation or discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Contrast that with the £4,000,000,000 a week we have been borrowing since 2008 to bail out the public services. Not much chance of getting that back or even getting value for money. Where did you get that figure from? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104559/Public-borrowing-fall-faster-expected-giving-George-Osborne-10-billion-warchest.html The independent Office for Budget Responsibility has forecast that the Government will have to borrow £127billion for the year to April, but with two months remaining, the total for the year is £93.5billion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 He like me, believes that people should be rewarded on their actual value rather than their power to negotiate. Which, of course, all depends on how one determines "value" - and who does the determining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Which, of course, all depends on how one determines "value" - and who does the determining I agree, and it is a difficult task. The issues I feel would be most contentious would be (1) The value to our society of wealth makers, it seems difficult for some contributors to the forum to see wealth creators as other than selfish egotistical manipulators, when, I contend ,we seriously undervalue the people who create the wealth, pay the taxes (remember 1% of the population pay a third of all taxes raised) and create the employment.(2) The overestimation, overpayment and over rating of those involved in public service. I contend that this sector has underperformed since the end of the second world war and would benefi from far reaching privatisation. I realise that my view is extreme, but as one who has recently sat for 5 hours in an A&E in extreme discomfort, beore being seen by a doctor at the same time witnessing, in the next cubicle a 90 year old man with Alzheimers who had fallen and broken his hip wait for an equally long time I onclude that the NHS doesnt work properly. The Police service is now an entirely reactionery emergency service, and the list goes on. I await the tirade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolli_pop Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I realise that my view is extreme To me, yes it is, but then so is what you consider to be the opposing view, wealth creators as other than selfish egotistical manipulators ... overestimation, overpayment and over rating of those involved in public service. Surely the reality is somewhere in the middle, and I say that having worked in both sectors. I have met people in the public sector who, frankly, needed a kick, and I have also met much the same kind of people working in the private sector, including a number of healthcare professionals. That's humanity for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Where did you get that figure from? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104559/Public-borrowing-fall-faster-expected-giving-George-Osborne-10-billion-warchest.html The independent Office for Budget Responsibility has forecast that the Government will have to borrow £127billion for the year to April, but with two months remaining, the total for the year is £93.5billion. I think he takes his facts from the same place as Vague Boy, - the loony bin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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