gracek Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 the year on year improvements are because the marking in criteria based rather than orm referenced - in norm referencing - which you are suggesting grade inflation / deflation is solely in the hands of the chief examiner and where s/he draws the line in terms of percentages or SD from the mean . if you do not understand the difference between these systems then i would suggest that you are insufficiently informed to engage in meaningful debate on the subject, and should stick to reading the Heily Mail or Faily Express Pupils would be entered for a Grade A*, Grade B, and Grade F . There would be three tiers Higher,Intermediate, Basic each tier would have a full grade range A*-F The pupils would be able set exams in different tier for different subjects. see below: Mathematics entry for an A or A* higher tier Biology entry for an A or B Higher tier Chemistry entry for a B Higher tier Physics Entry for an A Higher tier English Lit Entry for a C Higher tier or an A* Intermediate tier English Entry for a C Higher tier or an A* Intermediate tier History Entry for a C at Higher tier or an A* Intermediate tier French Entry for Grade A* Intermediate tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottedplant Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Looks remarkably like the old o level and CSE system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracek Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 Looks remarkably like the old o level and CSE system. There would be three levels for this set up plus the pupils would be entered for a grade by their teacher and school. I see what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dosxuk Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I see what you mean. The pupils would be entered for the grades by their teachers and schools. The pupils would not know what level or grade that they were entered for. I feel it makes since to have A*-F grades in all tiers. So when a few years down the line you have two people, both claiming to have an A* in Mathematics, they wouldn't be able to tell you whether that was a top 5% result or a top 35% result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I liked the Morecambe and Wise line. I think it went "I've got 14 O-levels; that's five in Maths. and eleven others." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepperry Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Mathematics- 3 Maths Specifications (ie O-level with a lot of Calculus, with only basic Calculus, no Calculus) 3 Additional Maths Specifications (ie one that get you up to the new AS Level, up to O-level, up to basic Calculus) linear History- English History (ie preRoman-Elizabeth I), British History (ie James VI/I-2002) European History (ie prehistoric man-2002) North American (ie beginning of native peoples-2002) World History (ie prehistoric man-2002) Linear Geography- Geographies of Africa, Americas, Asia, Europe, Austarlia, New Zealand, and Pacific Islands Science- Biology, Chemistry, Physics as well as Geology Astronomy Astrophysics all as separate subjects three specs different one for students think that they will go into medicine or science, one for most people, and one that is more vocational pupils. A Spec: Medicine or science or Tech B Spec: one for most people C Spec: one more vocational English/English Lit- English Language common paper English Lit Greek tragedy and comedy, Chaucer, Shakespeare, novels, poetry, Dickens, American novelists, world lit, Modern plays Spec A: one greek tragedy and comedy, read three stories of the Canterbury Tales, two Shakespeare play(memorize two scenes from each play), read two novels, memorize 5 poems, two Dickens novels, one Mark Twain or Louisa May Alcott and a novel form 1950s or later, two novel from anywhere in the world and two modern plays Spec B: one greek tragedy or comedy, read two stories of the Canterbury Tales, memorize 3 poems one Shakespeare play, one Dickens novel, one Mark Twain novel, one novel from anyone in the world and a novel from the 1950s or after Spec C: one Greek comedy, one of the stories from the Canterbury Tales, one Shakespeare play, memorize on poem, one Dickens novel, one Mark Twain novel, a short novel from anywhere in the world, and a novel from the 1950s or after Religious Education- Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, and Buddhism choose on religion or compare two Spec A: For any of the religions read any two books and memorize three passages from each book Spec B: For any of the religions read any two books and memorize two passages from each book Spec C: For any of the religions read any two books and memorize one passage from each book MFL: Choose one language Spec A: Be able to speak 10 min with near perfect FL and write two short essays of around 800 words with few mistakes Spec B: Be able to speak 8 min with less perfect FL and write two short essays of around 600 words with few mistakes Spec C: Be able to speak 5 min with the same of FL as above and write one essay of around 900 words Economics: Spec A: General, Spec B: Macro Econ (one year) and Spec C: Micro Econ (one year) B and C would usually taken together Home Economics : Common paper Cookery: Common paper Child Care: Common paper Business Studies: three business Spec A: International Business Spec B: Business Law Spec C: Markets Woodwork: common paper Metalwork: common paper Photography: The exam would be on Technique and about famous photographers A Spec: 3 portfolios and 2 exams B Spec: 2 portfolios and 2 exams C Spec: 1 portfolio and 2 exams Philosophy: A Spec: Study all the ancient Greek philosophers in ancient Greek and English some other philosophers B Spec: Study all ancient Greek philosophers and some other philosophers C Spec: Study the most important ancient Greek philosophers Drama: A Spec: Three plays graded on performance with one being a devised play and one written exam B Spec: Two plays graded on performance with being a devised play and two written exams C Spec: One play graded on performance with being a devised play and two written exams A Specs Grades A*-U: A* 95%-100%=190-200pts (5% of pupils entered) A 80%-94%=160-188pts (5%of pupils entered) B 70%-79%=158-140pts (25% of pupils entered) C 60%-69%=120-138pts (25% of pupils entered) D 50%-59%=100-118pts(10% of pupils entered) E 40%-49%=80-98pts(10% of pupils etered) F 30%-39%=60-78pts (10% of pupils entered) U 29%-less=0pts (10% of pupils entered) B Specs same as above C Specs same as above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracek Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 So when a few years down the line you have two people, both claiming to have an A* in Mathematics, they wouldn't be able to tell you whether that was a top 5% result or a top 35% result? There only be 15% of pupils that would be able A*'s 5% from each tier. There would be a way for the universities and employers would be able to get info about what tier ha been set by the person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dosxuk Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 There only be 15% of pupils that would be able A*'s 5% from each tier. Thats irrelevant to employers though - if you're looking for an accountant, you don't want someone with an A* but who can't tell you whether they got that at the foundation level or the higher level. A* should mean A* in comparison to all others, not just a random selection of students. Someone getting an A* in the intermediate level according to your idea is in the top 35% of all people (A* at intermediate = A* + A + B grades at higher). There would be a way for the universities and employers would be able to get info about what tier ha been set by the person. Why shouldn't a pupil know what level they have been set? They'll work it out quickly enough when they get to the test if they're on the wrong one. I used to have a very stubborn science teacher who kept putting me in for the intermediate level module tests rather than higher. After three 100% results and an intervention by the head of department he decided to allow me to "attempt" the higher level paper. Would employers have to keep the levels secret from interviewees under your plans? I can't see a single benefit for your plans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitisbad Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 just have a 100 questions varying in difficulty, then give your score out of 100 instead of a grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracek Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 just have a 100 questions varying in difficulty, then give your score out of 100 instead of a grade. Maths would set four papers each being 200 points the GCSEs would be worth 800 points. Paper 1: Basic maths and basic Algebra Paper 2: Algebra and Geometry Paper 3: Trigonometryand and basic Calculus Paper 4:Calculus, Vector calculus and Differential equations Grades A*-U A* 95%-100%=190-200pts A 80%-94%=160-188pts B 70%-79%=158-140pts C 60%-69%=120-138pts D 50%-59%=100-118pts E 40%-49%=80-98pts F 30%-39%=60-78pts U 29%-less=0pts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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