Harleyman Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 So the firearm is to be used in a subsequent crime, which makes your comparison and point moot. In all likelyhood, any drugs sold aren't going to be used to facilitate a further crime. You ought to watch some of your own UK cop shows on TV. Prime Suspect (Hellen Mirren) was a series that aired in the mid 1990s. One story dealt with the murder of a young man by a drug dealing gang in Manchester, unless of course you believe that police stories have no truth or validity to them. Gangs who deal drugs often have rival gangs who want to muscle in on their territory and having guns is a good way to make sure that "turf" as they call their territory is safeguarded. I'm sure there are such gangs in London, Birmingham. Glasgow and the other biggest cities and enough crack and heroin addicts to keep them in business. Then of course there's yer common garden mobs who want to hit a few banks and security trucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeeeeeeeeek Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 You ought to watch some of your own police stories on TV. Prime Suspect (Hellen Mirren) was a series that aired in the mid 1990s. One story dealt with the murder of a young man by a drug dealing gang in Manchester, unless of course you believe that police stories have no truth or validity to them. Gangs who deal drugs often have rival gangs who want to muscle in on their territory and having guns is a good way to make sure that "turf" as they call their territory is safeguarded. I'm sure there are such gangs in London, Birmingham. Glasgow and the other biggest cities and plenty of crack and heroin addicts to keep them in business. So change the law, reduce crime, reduce the harm, reduce the instance of drug use, put the gangs out of business, everyone's a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 You ought to watch some of your own police stories on TV. Prime Suspect (Hellen Mirren) was a series that aired in the mid 1990s. One story dealt with the murder of a young man by a drug dealing gang in Manchester, unless of course you believe that police stories have no truth or validity to them. The TV programme Prime Suspect has nothing whatsoever to do with Magilla's point. Once again you just ignore questions you can't answer. You're like the mouthpiece of the criminal gangs who control drugs. You support measures that place a lucrative trade in the hands of criminals. You oppose measures that reduce drugs usage. You appear happy for young lives to be squandered in the name of your failed ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 This is garbage. No criminal enterprise could possibly undercut government-controlled distribution. Cocvaine is only expensive because it's controlled by criminals. http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=1214&catid=54&subcatid=348 Why are you so bothered about a subject you don't know anything about? Like when you claimed Iranians would be killed for smoking a joint, whereas in reality opium and hashish is commonly smoked in public by Iranians. You're gnashing your gums about a subject you know very little about beyond your wild fantasies. Dont act daft. Look at the price of a simple pack of fags these days with tax added. I'm sure they're as pricey in the Uk as they are here. There are smugglers who flog ciggys from Mexico at cut prices. They're bloody awful but Mexicans smoke them cos they're cheaper . Are you really so innocent as to believe that a substance such as high grade cocaine would be issued by the government at bargain basement prices. Maybe they'd process cocaine in a disused chocolate factory down Pitsmoor way Cocaine has to be imported and foreign distibutors wouldn't sell it cheap. They have their profits and overheads to take care of too. The of course your government would place a hefty tax on top of it also to help pay for all the controls and regulations required in ensure that it's distributed in accordance with the new laws. That lets in the "dealers" who'll undercut it with cheap lower grade stuff and dont believe for a moment that they would not. Buy it under the counter with no tax and you've got a better deal as any chump can see. You dont still believe in Santa Clause do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 This is garbage. No criminal enterprise could possibly undercut government-controlled distribution. Cocvaine is only expensive because it's controlled by criminals. http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=1214&catid=54&subcatid=348 Why are you so bothered about a subject you don't know anything about? Like when you claimed Iranians would be killed for smoking a joint, whereas in reality opium and hashish is commonly smoked in public by Iranians. You're gnashing your gums about a subject you know very little about beyond your wild fantasies. Dont act daft. Look at the price of a simple pack of fags these days with tax added. I'm sure they're as pricey in the Uk as they are here. There are smugglers who flog ciggys from Mexico at cut prices. They're bloody awful but Mexicans smoke them cos they're cheaper . Are you really so innocent as to believe that a substance such as high grade cocaine would be issued by the government at bargain basement prices. Maybe they'd process cocaine in a disused chocolate factory down Pitsmoor way Cocaine has to be imported and foreign distibutors wouldn't sell it cheap. They have their profits and overheads to take care of too. Then of course your government would place a hefty tax on top of it also to help pay for all the controls and regulations required to ensure that it's distributed in accordance with the new laws and of course it will also fund rehab programs for addicts. How much tax do you think it would be? That lets in the "dealers" who'll undercut it with second grade more harmful stuff and dont believe for a moment that they would not. Buy it under the counter with no tax and you've got a better deal as any chump can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Dont act daft. Look at the price of a simple pack of fags these days with tax added. I'm sure they're as pricey in the Uk as they are here. There are smugglers who flog ciggys from Mexico at cut prices. They're bloody awful but Mexicans smoke them cos they're cheaper . Are you really so innocent as to believe that a substance such as high grade cocaine would be issued by the government at bargain basement prices. Maybe they'd process cocaine in a disused chocolate factory down Pitsmoor way Cocaine has to be imported and foreign distibutors wouldn't sell it cheap. They have their profits and overheads to take care of too. The of course your government would place a hefty tax on top of it also to help pay for all the controls and regulations required in ensure that it's distributed in accordance with the new laws. That lets in the "dealers" who'll undercut it with cheap lower grade stuff and dont believe for a moment that they would not. Buy it under the counter with no tax and you've got a better deal as any chump can see. You dont still believe in Santa Clause do you? You are arguing that commercially-grown cocaine doesn't sell for $600? Have you alerted the US authorities to this fact? You appear to be contradicting official DEA figures: The raw material for a kilo of cocaine costs about $750 in the countryside, but this becomes $135,000 when it reaches the retail market in New York. With the drug injecting $2.5 billion into Colombia every year, it provides fuel for business and investment. Colombia was the only Latin American nation not to have a currency crisis in the 1 980s. Or, you could simply be spouting rubbish. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Statistic show that smoking and drinking have increased substantially among the young (under 20) in recent years. There's no reason to believe that if pot was available you so called regulations, restrictions and educations would work any better Yes there are, plenty of reasons, that I've posted and that you've ignored several times: Under Portugal's new regime, people found guilty of possessing small amounts of drugs are sent to a panel consisting of a psychologist, social worker and legal adviser for appropriate treatment (which may be refused without criminal punishment), instead of jail. (See the world's most influential people in the 2009 TIME 100.) The question is, does the new policy work? At the time, critics in the poor, socially conservative and largely Catholic nation said decriminalizing drug possession would open the country to "drug tourists" and exacerbate Portugal's drug problem; the country had some of the highest levels of hard-drug use in Europe. But the recently released results of a report commissioned by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, suggest otherwise. The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled. "Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does." Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana. Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html#ixzz1owMRfjoz You just keep spouting the same garbage and ignore points that point out you are incredibly naive, dishonest and plain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 You are arguing that commercially-grown cocaine doesn't sell for $600? Have you alerted the US authorities to this fact? You appear to be contradicting official DEA figures: Or, you could simply be spouting rubbish. Again. Can you grow cocaine commercially in the UK? If so, how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Can you grow cocaine commercially in the UK? If so, how? Greenhouses and hydroponics, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Can you grow cocaine commercially in the UK? If so, how? No idea. What's that got to do with a single word I've posted? Are you on some kind of medication, you seem unable to grasp basic points. You support measures that keep drugs illegal. You admit that you support increased drug use and higher rates of drug abuse by young people. Why do you want more young people to become addicted to contaminated drugs? Portugal's case study is of some interest to lawmakers in the U.S., confronted now with the violent overflow of escalating drug gang wars in Mexico. The U.S. has long championed a hard-line drug policy, supporting only international agreements that enforce drug prohibition and imposing on its citizens some of the world's harshest penalties for drug possession and sales. Yet America has the highest rates of cocaine and marijuana use in the world, and while most of the E.U. (including Holland) has more liberal drug laws than the U.S., it also has less drug use. http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html#ixzz1owMjlgXu That's the stark results of the regime you condone. More drug use. More deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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