Bisexuals, where do they fit in

[curriechick]

That is the wisest comment on here. What does a persons sexuality matter? I have gay friends of both sexes and I have friends with ginger hair, or blonde hair. I don't treat any of them differently and I would never think to say meet Freddie he's gay, Freddie meet Sally she has ginger hair.

So if someones bi-sexual what difference does that make to you? would you treat them differntly knowing that? If you were a true friend or even a decent human being your answer would be no, and you would be the kind of person I would be happy to call a friend, whatever colour hair you have.

[shims]

They're prejudices born of ignorance and fear.

What you are presenting there as morals were the result of ignorance and fear. In philosophical terms, there is no moral argument against homosexuality.

 

Further back than 50 years ago - like, say, in ancient Greece, to pick an example not entirely at random - attitudes were very different from the Victorian 'morality' you're talking about there.

 

I'll be honest - I don't particularly care if siblings want to have sex. It doesn't shock me, or upset me. It may be unusual, but sibling-attraction happens. And incest as fantasy is very, very popular, as evidenced by the large amount of porn that is incest-themed.

I think this is the second time you have used the words 'ignorance' and 'fear'. I don't believe that those with opposing views are ignorant or fearful of the people or lifestyle. I would see it as "disapproval of". Either a disapproval of their sexuality as a whole, or aspects of the lifestyle.

 

I take the view that the only sane position on sexuality is that what consenting adults do is their business and theirs alone.

It very much depends what they are into. Sometimes it's a matter for the law.

 

The thing is I have friends who are openly gay ,men and women and repect them for their openness as yet I have never met a openly bisexual,again i stress Im just being inquisitive,is there a stigma attached to bisexuality among both sides of the coin, Gays and straights.

And there was me thinking it was punative laws, homophobic bullying and queer bashing that made gays & bi people feel ashamed & drove it underground.

Or the need for the bisexual person to hide their homosexual liasons (ie. cheating) from their heterosexual partner, perhaps? Notably the poster mentioned a stigma attached to bisexuality from BOTH straights AND gays. Gays are not the group who are usually responsible for 'homophobic bullying' and 'queer-bashing' that you use in your explanation.

 

 

 

It's hardly active promotion, just a visibility of homosexuality, which is quite right. Why should it be hidden, just because some people have issues?

 

Of course it's active promotion: there are gay people in the media who flaunt their sexuality at any opportunity, as if it is the only thing which defines them. Perhaps it is. It often comes across as attention whoredom. It's widespread on British television. There are often disproportionate numbers of gay males in 'reality' shows. Generally the sort who will behave outrageously and 'bitch' behind peoples' backs. The type of characters who do their compatriots a disservice; who paint homosexuals in a poor light but who are used in a cynical way to boost ratings, by irresponsible TV executives who bow down to the money god.

 

These 'some people' who 'have issues' would, in my view, be some of these aforementioned, larger than life, walking stereotypes of supposed "gayness", not those at home who are unamused by their antics.

 

Like most males I'm attracted to females exclusively but I doubt this would be the first thing that someone would be struck by if they met me. I feel that there is really no need for anyone to parade their sexuality as they go about their day-to-day business.

[shims]

I refer you to this. Situational sexual behaviour is a very interesting phonemenon. More often than not, I believe that members of the armed services frequent prostitutes and many when engaged in conflict, also resort to mass rape. The male prison situation is not dissimilar, rape and sexual relationships amongst prisoners are endemic. That to me illustrates the immuntable form of sexuality which according to circumstance, situation and people, shifts.

 

That flimsy (**) wiki article is LBGT propaganda designed to challenge what is commonly considered fact: that people can actually be heterosexual. Particularly troublesome for the lobbyists is just how prevalent heterosexuals are in society.

 

 

(**) "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources."

"This section needs attention from an expert on the subject. WikiProject LGBT studies or the LGBT studies Portal may be able to help recruit an expert."

 

 

From the article:

"Many people change their sexual behavior depending on the situation or at different points in their life"

For people read homosexuals and bisexuals as this article used to support this statement is as follows: "Sexual identity development among lesbian, gay, and bisexual youths: Consistency and change over time". That is, it doesn't address the most prevalent group amongst us: heterosexuals. Tellingly, it's author, Margaret Rosario appears to deal exclusively with LBGT issues. Cleary, no bias from this psychologist.

 

more:

"One example of situational sexual behavior includes when people might not have sex with prostitutes in their home countries, but may do so when they visit other countries, where such activities are legal or ignored by authorities."

 

I wouldn't see this as an example of 'transient' behaviour'. It can happen over an expanse of time. It's simply a case of people doing something they would naturally desire to do at any time but to avoid being stigmatised they restrict it solely to those occasions when they can act with impunity.

 

more:

"... men and women in a university may engage in bisexual activities, but only in that environment. Experimentation of this sort is more common among adolescents (or just after), both male and female."

This is the connected to what I was referring to in a previous post when I metioned the 'sexually undecided'. Why would someone stop being bisexual after college? Perhaps their drug and alcohol consumption reduces or maybe they start a steady relationship and know that their partner would not tolerate infidelity? Most women I've known aren't keen on open relationships and certainly would not sleep with a bisexual male. At the end of the day are rewards that a monogamous relationship can offer which a person who lives the life of a sexual sociopath won't experience.

 

"Another example is when individuals or members of a community might engage in homosexual behaviors but identify as heterosexual otherwise, such as some people in prison, the military, single sex boarding schools, or other sex-segregated communities."

 

There is a world of difference between what is natural desire and what comes about as a result of abuse, use of force, coercion, threats, or plying someone with drugs and alcohol. I'm not claiming that identifying heterosexuals don't voluntarily indulge in same-sex situations (which means that, in truth, they are closeted bisexuals) but if straight people resort to it because of physical harm or threats of harm, as would often be true in the scenarios mentioned, then this does not equate with them being bisexual or possessing a sexuality which is transient. Of course this wiki piece fails to acknowledge such mitigating factors because that ain't the agenda.

[Jessica23]

I think this is the second time you have used the words 'ignorance' and 'fear'. I don't believe that those with opposing views are ignorant or fearful of the people or lifestyle. I would see it as "disapproval of". Either a disapproval of their sexuality as a whole, or aspects of the lifestyle.

 

Disapproval as a result of ignorance and fear, perhaps. It's fear of the unknown, the different, the strange, the not-majority in a similar way to racism. There's no logical reason whatsoever to be homophobic.

 

It very much depends what they are into. Sometimes it's a matter for the law.

 

Again, I disagree. What goes on privately between consenting adults is no business of anyone else's.

[depoix]

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but those aren't morals. They're prejudices born of ignorance and fear.

 

There is no moral argument against homosexuality whatsoever.

they are not seen as prejudices by the older generation who can recall a time when homosexuals were jailed for their sexual preferances,it was that way for many years here in Britain until the law was changed

[Jessica23]

they are not seen as prejudices by the older generation who can recall a time when homosexuals were jailed for their sexual preferances,it was that way for many years here in Britain until the law was changed

 

I'm more than aware of that. And it doesn't alter the fact that they are prejudices. I don't care whether they aren't seen as prejudices, they are prejudices.

[Jessica23]

shims, it's entirely possible for people to identify as straight and have had same-sex encounters. You don't get to decide other people's sexuality for them. They do.

[julado]

There are a lot more straight people than gay, so therefore there will be more straight people with HIV or AIDS.

 

If 10% of the straight population have aids but 1% of the gay community then each group has the same chance of being infected. That's if 10% of the population are gay.

 

Or summat....

 

And it's ALWAYS these straight people that have gay babies.

[Jessica23]

See here, for example:

 

Some people find the three general spheres or orientations -- heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual -- very limiting, because not everyone fits neatly into them, but instead, is attracted to different sexes and genders by varying degrees. For instance, a bisexual may be MOSTLY attracted to women, but sometimes attracted to men; a bisexual also may not even like the "bi" part of that term because gender isn't binary, and they are attracted to people of varied sexes and gender identities. A homosexual or heterosexual may occasionally be attracted to those of an opposite sphere, or someone's gender identity may be a bigger point of attraction than their biological sex. If that is the case for you, it does not mean you are not what you think you are. Homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality are terms to generalize sexual orientation in the widest sense. Ultimately, you should choose or create whatever term makes you most comfortable and feels most true to you, or create your own if none of them seem to feel right.

[Mister M]

shims, it's entirely possible for people to identify as straight and have had same-sex encounters. You don't get to decide other people's sexuality for them. They do.

 

Very well said