iansheff Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 It was only the other day the DWP was saying they claim all money back, there is no mention of that in this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Tax evasion costs Treasury 15 times more than benefit fraud. Tax evasion costs the Treasury £15.2 billion in lost revenue, while benefit fraud costs £1.1 billion every year. http://citywire.co.uk/money/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274 That article, in The Daily Mail (owned by a tax exile, registered overseas for tax reasons) is designed to make idiots go "Look!! Over here!!!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I'd argue looking after children is a full time job in itself (and a woman shouldn't have to work) one income should be enough to raise a family and buy an house. You can't raise a family when your at work! She been paid to raise a family o ten and they only two, only fair she pays back what was unfairly awarded. That of the children that did not exist. I disagree, you can raise a decent family and work. I did. My friends did, and all the younger mums I know do. I think that would be an interesting discussion by itself. I can't believe the benefits system allows anyone to use false information for as long as this woman did. She fabricated information about her children. I'd have assumed proof of all children, and medical evidence around disabilities was essential when a claim is made. Considering she has two healthy, able bodied children, pretending that they had disabilities was a pretty despicable thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickiethecat Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Tax evasion costs Treasury 15 times more than benefit fraud. Tax evasion costs the Treasury £15.2 billion in lost revenue, while benefit fraud costs £1.1 billion every year. http://citywire.co.uk/money/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274 That article, in The Daily Mail (owned by a tax exile, registered overseas for tax reasons) is designed to make idiots go "Look!! Over here!!!!!" Two obvious points. One is that your link is over 2 years old so way out of date. Second, two wrongs don't make a right. Fraudulently claiming benefits is still a crime and more should be done to stop people doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Tax evasion costs Treasury 15 times more than benefit fraud. Tax evasion costs the Treasury £15.2 billion in lost revenue, while benefit fraud costs £1.1 billion every year. http://citywire.co.uk/money/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274 That article, in The Daily Mail (owned by a tax exile, registered overseas for tax reasons) is designed to make idiots go "Look!! Over here!!!!!" The figures you quoted Ferno are still correct to date. If you look at the attatched diagram from the National Fraud Authority you'll see that in 2011 there was at least 1bn benefit fraud & at least 15bn tax fraud http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/agencies-public-bodies/nfa/annual-fraud-indicator/afi-2011-diagram?view=Binary However the Tax Justice network estimates that an additional £70billion were lost to what they called the 'Shadow Economy' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickiethecat Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 The figures you quoted Ferno are still correct to date. If you look at the attatched diagram from the National Fraud Authority you'll see that in 2011 there was at least 1bn benefit fraud & at least 15bn tax fraud http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/agencies-public-bodies/nfa/annual-fraud-indicator/afi-2011-diagram?view=Binary So that makes benefit fraud morally justifiable then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 So that makes benefit fraud morally justifiable then? Did I say that? No, & neither did I infer it either. What I was alluding to was that tax fraud and benefit fraud are two sides of the same coin. However due to certain reasons which we can all guess at, the press likes to encourage us to get hot under the collar about benefit fraud but very rarely discuss tax fraud. Even though one is much larger than the other. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quisquose Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Tax evasion costs Treasury 15 times more than benefit fraud. Tax evasion costs the Treasury £15.2 billion in lost revenue, while benefit fraud costs £1.1 billion every year. http://citywire.co.uk/money/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274 That article, in The Daily Mail (owned by a tax exile, registered overseas for tax reasons) is designed to make idiots go "Look!! Over here!!!!!" Imagine that a group of 1000 people all agree to contribute £10 each to a worthy cause, and a collection hat is sent around. 850 people chuck in a tenner, but 140 people only put in a fiver, whilst 10 actually take a tenner out, leaving the collection with a £900 shortfall. We would naturally be more angry at the minority of people who stole money. If one of them was caught, pleading that avoidance cost the fund £800, whilst theft only cost £100, would not be very convincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 So that makes benefit fraud morally justifiable then? That's an idiotic conclusion to draw, what makes you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Laffs: http://nothingleftforcaesar.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/actual-correspondence-with-the-social-welfare-office-this-week/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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