chem1st Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 So could you live on £2 an hour? It would'nt even cover rent. In a lot of places in the UK, £10 an hour doesn't either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 So could you live on £2 an hour? It would'nt even cover rent. £2 an hour for a 35-hour working week would be a higher weekly income than JSA. If people on such a scheme were still entitled to all the things that JSA would entitle them to, they'd be better off. There are numerous potential flaws in such a scheme, but this isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 So could you live on £2 an hour? It would'nt even cover rent. I'm not including the huge ammounts of taxpayers money that pay both rent and council tax for non-workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I'm not including the huge ammounts of taxpayers money that pay both rent and council tax for non-workers. And workers... Workers claim ten times more from the state in working tax credit than the unemployed claim in JSA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 In a lot of places in the UK, £10 an hour doesn't either... True. So is it the responsibility of the employer to pay a living wage, or the taxpayer to subsidise it? The minimum a working person should be able to expect is to afford a place to live, utilities and food. A person on minimum wage would have difficulty without subsidies paid for by the tax payer, eg tax credits. The cost of living is rising. Soon even the low paid will be priced out of existence. They need more money, not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 True. So is it the responsibility of the employer to pay a living wage, or the taxpayer to subsidise it? The minimum a working person should be able to expect is to afford a place to live, utilities and food. A person on minimum wage would have difficulty without subsidies paid for by the tax payer, eg tax credits. The cost of living is rising. Soon even the low paid will be priced out of existence. They need more money, not less. So we need to make more money. At the moment the unemployed have a lot of time on their hands. Lets use that currently wasted free time to create money for the nation which can then be used for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddycoffee Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 In a lot of places in the UK, £10 an hour doesn't either... That is a different problem, I call it the london and home counties weightings. In the uk one of the greatest problems we face with the economy is that Greater London is overpriced and overpopulated. We need to try and reverse this. We can do this by not having sports tournaments in London and by building HS2. In the past we have moved large govenment departments like Girobank, the HSE, DVLC to the regions, but that is only because they are distinct departments with loads of sections and hundreds of workers, easy to move out. The crux is the senior managers will not move out of London.. All this contributes to inflation of greater London propoerty prices (rent and mortgage values) with the result that people are sucked out of the northern cities and northern cities suffer with dropping populations and falling property values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddycoffee Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 So we need to make more money. At the moment the unemployed have a lot of time on their hands. Lets use that currently wasted free time to create money for the nation which can then be used for good. The only people that have the gift of actually creating money are bank employees who approve loans to working class and middle class customers. This is this decade's version of moneterism. It is not a good thing for the rest of us because it devalues all our savings, pensions and the coins in our pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Many years ago I used to work at the old Middlewood Hospital. They created workshops for the inmates to manufacture simple things. They were paid a bit of pocket money and the goods were sold to create a bit of income for the hospital. The patients regarded it as a priviledge to work and work they did taking a real pride in it. It hardly set the manufacturing world alight and was eventually abandoned as it failed to generate any money. It cost more to administrate than it made. So it was back to endless days on the wards for the patients. Unless you can compete genuinely in a competative market you will fail. Eventually the BRIC countries will rightly demand better working conditions and wages and the playing field will level out until we are all replaced largely by automation. At that point let's hope we have a better way of sharing wealth or 90% of the World's population will be starving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 Many years ago I used to work at the old Middlewood Hospital. They created workshops for the inmates to manufacture simple things. They were paid a bit of pocket money and the goods were sold to create a bit of income for the hospital. The patients regarded it as a priviledge to work and work they did taking a real pride in it. It hardly set the manufacturing world alight and was eventually abandoned as it failed to generate any money. It cost more to administrate than it made. So it was back to endless days on the wards for the patients. Unless you can compete genuinely in a competative market you will fail. Eventually the BRIC countries will rightly demand better working conditions and wages and the playing field will level out until we are all replaced largely by automation. At that point let's hope we have a better way of sharing wealth or 90% of the World's population will be starving. Anna the unemployed are not mentalists, bit offended you compared them to middlewoods inmates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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