johncocker Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 You believe that a same sex coupe want to marry because of jealousy and envy? You do say some odd things at times. is that a car with two steering wheels you are an odd thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 You believe that a same sex coupe want to marry because of jealousy and envy? You do say some odd things at times. You have been arguing for homosexuals to have the same named union as hetrosexuals. No matter how the argument is presented this is what it boils down to, They have something we don't qualify for and so will pretend a man and woman are the same. You can go round in circles all day but it does not change the fact that marriage is an established union between man and woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickiethecat Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Gay relationships are qualitatively different from straight relationships. they understand sex differently; they have a different model for what partners means to them and their places in our lives. The fundamental model of marriage that most heterosexuals embrace--and famously proclaim as "family values"--just doesn't apply to them. Heterosexual marriage is based around the emotional attractions of the opposite poles of the male-female polarity. This is about the complementarity of the organs of reproduction. The emotional bonding of man and woman fills the missing half of each in order to create the one whole being which then gives birth to new life. Heterosexual marriage is about bonding at the level of reproduction and subsequent creation of a nest and household in which to raise children. The model of the family is traditionally hierarchical and structured. The male and female partners have roles specified for them by their sexual function in the relationship. Gay relationships are not based on this kind of attraction at all. Sexual attraction is not about the complementarity of the physical organs. Gay people don't have sex in order to complete a bio-hormonal process. Gay people don't see their partners as "other halves,"with body parts and traits and gender-defined roles that complete them. Some very good points there. As I said earlier in the thread, gay people generally don't have long term relationships anyway so they would not bond for life in the same way a mana and a woman would. Being gay is not about spending a lifetime with a partner, it's about illicit and sordid liasons in nightclubs and public toilets. It's not very PC to say it but even if a gay couple do enter into a long term relationship, there's a high chance that one or both of them may contract HIV or AIDS and die unnecessarily young. We think of them as 1980s diseases but they are still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Talker Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Heterosexual love and heterosexual sex is about bringing the incomplete halves together to create a new being which, in turns, gives birth to yet a new sentient being....something which homosexuals are incapable of doing...are you still confused? I certainly am, when it comes to that statement... As I have said before, there are many, many straight couples who cannot, or by choice, do not want to become parents. What do you say to the couples who cannot conceive? Is THEIR relationship invalid, because they aren't "fruitful"? What about the couple who decide that this sorrowful and overpopulated world *TM* is not one they wish to bring a child into? They are supposedly not following the "natural" order, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 is that a car with two steering wheels you are an odd thing It's a typo, not a spurious argument. There is a difference you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 You have been arguing for homosexuals to have the same named union as hetrosexuals. No matter how the argument is presented this is what it boils down to, They have something we don't qualify for and so will pretend a man and woman are the same. You can go round in circles all day but it does not change the fact that marriage is an established union between man and woman. Do you really believe that any drive for equality as being nothing more than envy? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 so they would not bond for life in the same way a mana and a woman would. Straight people don't divorce? Being gay is [...] about illicit and sordid liasons in nightclubs and public toilets. It's not very PC to say it but even if a gay couple do enter into a long term relationship, there's a high chance that one or both of them may contract HIV or AIDS and die unnecessarily young. King troll takes it up a gear. It's all about the aids now. Even if it's true, so what? Why does having aids stop people marrying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I certainly am, when it comes to that statement... As I have said before, there are many, many straight couples who cannot, or by choice, do not want to become parents. What do you say to the couples who cannot conceive? Is THEIR relationship invalid, because they aren't "fruitful"? What about the couple who decide that this sorrowful and overpopulated world *TM* is not one they wish to bring a child into? They are supposedly not following the "natural" order, either. Nit picking does not strengthen your argument in fact it illustrates the lack of a substantial case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 well he got it from john mortimer, so whats that make you:suspect: Well, considering he wasn't attempting to present the quote as his own, I'm on pretty safe ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Do you really believe that any drive for equality as being nothing more than envy? Really? I do not believe the rubbish about a man and woman being the same. DIFFERENCE is the relevant factor here not equality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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