JFKvsNixon Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Give me a champagne socialist anyday over an embittered 2 up 2 down Tory with a chip on both his shoulders. It's a pity Miliband didn't want to spend any time with the socialists eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I'm no fan of Milliband, but I read it as: NHS Event planned for Saturday at 12 noon, match visit also planned Milliband ill Friday, event cancelled Milliband feels a better Saturday, goes up anyway Event can't be arranged at short notice Goes to the match as planned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I'm no fan of Milliband, but I read it as: NHS Event planned for Saturday at 12 noon, match visit also planned Milliband ill Friday, event cancelled Milliband feels a better Saturday, goes up anyway Event can't be arranged at short notice Goes to the match as planned But not a Five Year Plan, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denlin Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It's a pity Miliband didn't want to spend any time with the socialists eh? You're confusing New Labour with socialism when in fact what we have now is 3 different shades of Tory - there hasn't been a socialist party since the sad demise of John Smith. Keir Hardie would be spinning in his grave if there was such thing as an afterlife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Not even 'Tory', either. The original 'Tory' party split; the current Conservative Party is all that survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Not even 'Tory', either. The original 'Tory' party split; the current Conservative Party is all that survived. Was that in 1979 when the NF fell apart and most of the remains joined the conservative party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Was that in 1979 when the NF fell apart and most of the remains joined the conservative party? Nearer to the 1830s. The original Tory party was formed to defend the rights of the middle and lower classes against the land-owning Whigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 The original Tory party was formed to defend the rights of [the] lower classes By not allowing them to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 You're confusing New Labour with socialism when in fact what we have now is 3 different shades of Tory - there hasn't been a socialist party since the sad demise of John Smith. Keir Hardie would be spinning in his grave if there was such thing as an afterlife. John Smith was never a socialist, he was of the right of the party. I think that it's only his early death that has led to nostalgia that he is held within the party. Tony Blair wasn't the leader of the Labour revolution, he was it's completer of the project. Even if you look back into the 1980s could Labour be described as socialist? I'd always believed that the early part of the decade was marked by the battle between the Social Democrats in the party and the Trotskyists, (can you describe Trotskyists as socialists?) with the Social Democrats leaving to form a new party. The gang of four certainly lost the battle, but history judges them the winner of the war for the leadership of the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 The gang of four certainly lost the battle, but history judges them the winner of the war for the leadership of the left. And of course, there is still a very much dyed-in-the-wool Socialist Labour Party. It hasn't, I think, ever held its deposit yet, much less had any chance of winning a seat. That's what the British think of socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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