zippy Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 hate to correct anyone but half of these assessors are not even doctors some are midwifes, physios, etc and could you all realise that anyone of you could have an accident tomorrow and end up in this position also here we go again, maggies britain divide and conquer put everyone against everyone and wait for the minimum wage to dissapear As we've discussed before in this thread and others , the assessors are all Health Professionals, Nurses, Physios and OTs are the experts at these kinds of assessments , not Doctors. These assessments do not seek to challenge or confirm your diagnosis - as Diagnosis is irrelevant to the process. These assessments are about your ability or otherwise to carry out activities of daily living and various work related tasks, benefits such as DLA and ESA are not awarded o nthe basis of diagnosis but on the basis of the individuals need (or not) for assistance with activities of daily living Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Not my job. And maybe if they didn't rely on all the grasses out there they would get off their butts and do their jobs instead of picking on the vunerable. oh what a good citizen (not), this kind of apathy and misplaced 'don't be a grass' is what makes it easier for these people to make their moody claims ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Ryan* Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Here is another website I have found that some people might find helpful http://thefullfacts.com/esa/forum/viewforum.php?f=9 Im concerned with the fact that a friend of mine who has MS is going in and getting tested end of this month. The fact that there is a note from the doctor isnt enough and may make him work is really confusing to me.?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlina Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 <presses repeat for the umpteenth time > Once again a focuses on diagnosis , rather than the actual purpose of the assessment which is to look at functional ability with respect to activities of daily living and work related tasks . Yes, I see what you're saying Zippy But my argument is that, if the 'assessors' do not have the expertise to assess the person's ability (or lack of) then they shouldn't be doing it. A GP is a 'jack of all trades' whereas a specialist has in depth knowledge of a particular medical condition. He or she is therefore in a much better position to verify what that person is capable of. For example, would you take a bulldozer to your house, if an electrician told you the foundations were unsafe? I think not, you'd employ the services of a surveyor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Yes, I see what you're saying Zippy But my argument is that, if the 'assessors' do not have the expertise to assess the person's ability (or lack of) then they shouldn't be doing it. A GP is a 'jack of all trades' whereas a specialist has in depth knowledge of a particular medical condition. He or she is therefore in a much better position to verify what that person is capable of. For example, would you take a bulldozer to your house, if an electrician told you the foundations were unsafe? I think not, you'd employ the services of a surveyor. Neither a Consultant or a GP has been trained to assess people's activities of daily living from day 1 week 1 of their pre-registration training Nurses, OTs and an extent Physios have ... All the people moaning that the assessors 'aren't even Doctors' are just demonstrating their ignorance and lack of research on which professions do what in healthcare, there's lots of people going about about how the process 'doesn't believe' their consultant or that someone considers GPs 'not good enough ' this gets really rather boring, especially as all it does is demonstrate the poster's ignorance and inability to take on board what is being said by others. I am a Nurse, I don't work for ATOS as had been suggested before, but my day to day role ( as an employee of an NHS acute Hospital) is to work with people who have had life changing injuries and illnesses. My consultant and Associate Specialist colleagues will defer to the nurses, OTs and Physios on our respective areas of practice as we defer to them on aspects of care which are medically led. As for GP sick notes, a lot of GPs give med3s out near enough on demand, as they don't want the hassle of the complaints etc. it would bring and also the stuff about maintaining a working relationship with patients, this is particularly an issue for people who have a need for ongoing treatment for chronic conditions , hence the need for assessors who are not the patient's usual provider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Here is another website I have found that some people might find helpful http://thefullfacts.com/esa/forum/viewforum.php?f=9 Im concerned with the fact that a friend of mine who has MS is going in and getting tested end of this month. The fact that there is a note from the doctor isnt enough and may make him work is really confusing to me.?? As zippy is saying, just having a condition isn't a guide to whether or not he is fit for work. About 10 years ago my immediate manager was diagnosed with MS, and she is still holding down her demanding job. The severity of his condition, and how it affects your friend's daily life is the criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liza D Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 oh what a good citizen (not), this kind of apathy and misplaced 'don't be a grass' is what makes it easier for these people to make their moody claims ... Excuse me, but where did I say that? If you and others would bother to read someone's post other than your own then maybe this would be a half decent forum, as it is all I see are internet bullies who only have time for their own opinions. They don't really upset me as much as is their intention with the belittling comments they make, but really can't be bothered with cack for brains know it alls any longer. There has got to be better forums on the net than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denlin Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Not my job. And maybe if they didn't rely on all the grasses out there they would get off their butts and do their jobs instead of picking on the vunerable. Why do think grassing is a bad thing? If somebody is defrauding the state such as the person who claimed sickness benefits for blackouts for 10 YEARS but who isn't appealing against having it stopped not because they can't be bothered but obviously no longer has blackouts. Being a grass is not an insult, these people need reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie p Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I recieved 12 points out of 15,apparently a computer picks questions out at random so the questions which give you the most points are missed,i'm now waiting to appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottedplant Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Excuse me, but where did I say that? If you and others would bother to read someone's post other than your own then maybe this would be a half decent forum, as it is all I see are internet bullies who only have time for their own opinions. They don't really upset me as much as is their intention with the belittling comments they make, but really can't be bothered with cack for brains know it alls any longer. There has got to be better forums on the net than this. Perhaps your previous here: Not my job. And maybe if they didn't rely on all the grasses out there they would get off their butts and do their jobs instead of picking on the vunerable. intimated it? as for being bullied you made a comment to which someone replied saying you were displaying apathy......which you clearly are . Thats not bullying it is merely pointing out the fact that you do not want people to "fiddle" yet wont report those that you know are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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