sheff1johnny Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Been to atol 2day had 2 wait 2hours before being seen what a load of rot not interested in my illness just asked if i could dress myself and if i could bend and touch my knees got to wait now if im fit for work im 64 now so see what happens xx wish you the best of British, but expect to have to appeal, then you won't be too disapointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheff1johnny Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Just a daft poem ATOS Today they took away my esa Said I’m proper fit for work My god man, atos better than Jesus They make the blind see They make the lame walk again They can cure cancer. Told me a man in a wheelchair can walk 200 metres Told me that a man with two metal legs Had no difficulty with standing Told me lots of things There’s only one truth with ATOS And that is they don’t give a ____ Fill in the blank for yourself Atos not very good for mental health Don’t believe anyone suffers with physical health And they keep taking the taxpayers wealth And are clever hide behind the stealth Of the official secrets act. ATOS has to go, Let the people know How bad they are That they don’t care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniee Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 You may be interested to look up unum provident the giant u.s. disability insurance company that was almost ruined by £8 Billion dollars worth of lawsuits successfully won by disgruntled customers whose claims were refused using the Lima software system . Two days ago I didnt even know what lima was. Now the experiences of this company will hopefully allow my appeal tribunal to see that as Paul Farmer has said , not only is it not fit for purpose but could in the long run be the ruin of Atos if enough people sue them. I have already filed for fraudulent misrep under the fraud act 2006 and am awaiting thier reply.. good luck Baz this extract has been taken from the site "what do they know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesmarie Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Are you are saying you are cared for 24/7/365 by a Consultant Doctor ? because guess what if that isn't the case a Registered Health Professional does assess you and your illness ... or don't you ever see Nurses, Physiotherapists and Occupational Therapists ? what about Practitioner Psychologists ? ever travel in an emergency ambulance with a Paramedic ? ever had an operation? ( which simply wouldn't be able to happen with Operating Department Practitioners and Registered Nurses as well as the Surgeon and an Anaesthetist - a doctor who doesn't specialise in your condition ) it doesn't really matter what causes a sign or symptom , what a functional assessment is interested in is whether that sign or symptom effects your activities of daily living and if it does to what degree does effect them and what impact assistive technologies have on sign or symptom ... an example of this would be paraplegia, it doesn't really matter from a functional point of view whether it;s becasue of spina bifida, trauma, spinal infarct or something else, what matters is the fact that you probably can't walk or stand and need to use a wheelchair with aspecialist cushion to get about and to protect skin with altered sensation ... hate to break it to you they are, I am a tax payer , and I have little sympathy for those who adopt the sick role , because at the end of the day as someone with one type of long term condition working in health care rehabilitating people with life changing injuries or conditions I want my tax to go to those who need the support rather than it subsiding those who choose to live on benefits, and i suspect that many of my patients who hold down demanding jobs despite their long term conditions and the adapatations they need because of it feel the same ... ad hominems what a brilliant way to win an argument - you have a long term condition this does not give you a free pass to be a pillock ... Never been a pillock, thanks for advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medusa Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 You may be interested to look up unum provident the giant u.s. disability insurance company that was almost ruined by £8 Billion dollars worth of lawsuits successfully won by disgruntled customers whose claims were refused using the Lima software system . Two days ago I didnt even know what lima was. Now the experiences of this company will hopefully allow my appeal tribunal to see that as Paul Farmer has said , not only is it not fit for purpose but could in the long run be the ruin of Atos if enough people sue them. I have already filed for fraudulent misrep under the fraud act 2006 and am awaiting thier reply.. good luck Baz this extract has been taken from the site "what do they know? Interestingly, my life is funded by Unum Provident who have already put me through their software and agreed that I am unable to work, since they provide the disability cover part of my private pension. I wonder how different the software that they provide to the DWP is from the one that they use for their own company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 If you have a problem or a question about moderation please take it to the helpdesk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheff1johnny Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Interestingly, my life is funded by Unum Provident who have already put me through their software and agreed that I am unable to work, since they provide the disability cover part of my private pension. I wonder how different the software that they provide to the DWP is from the one that they use for their own company? There was a woman who worked for the dwp assesed by atos, she was found unfit for work, then after two months on incapacity was reassesd under the same procedure and recieved no points. It's on a panarama program on youtube, I'll try and find you the link. This is the link, but the story may be in part 1, or part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrneil Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 I can only speak for the five assessments of which I have direct personal knowledgee - and in all five of them, they did. That just becomes a game of he-said, she-said - the two ATOS tests I've had have utterly ignored my actual problems in favour of a "can you sit down and stand up" test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrneil Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 I wonder how different the software that they provide to the DWP is from the one that they use for their own company? I believe that the ATOS script is considered commercially sensitive so no-one not involved with administering the test can view it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Talker Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Yes because people regularly die of "can't be botheredness" Perhaps you should actually try reading up about the topic before you disparage it, Which is why up to 70% of their decisions are overturned at tribunal? So psychological problems are a "matter of opinion"? What next - are you going to say that people with severe long term issues should just "snap out of it"? If people can't work due to disabilities then they now have to "fight for that label" in order to get they help they need either in living day to day or get the support they need to get into a position where they can work again. Or look at the evidence and see that in many cases ATOS will fail in their role and cause more suffering among the disabled. (my bold) bang on the button EDN:- Teddybare must reckon people think themselves spinally injured, or diabetic, or having heart conditions. I wish my pacemaker was a figment of my imagination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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