Anyone been seen by atos and kept incapacity benefit/esa?

[HeadingNorth]

there are exemptions to the medical examination, but the government is quickly eroding the exemptions. As it stands at the moment, children and pensioners can not be examined.

 

Children and pensioners cannot claim ESA; they're not part of the workforce.

[Brin56]

Here is somebody that I believe puts into perspective the present onslaught on 'benefits'; -

 

He is Noam Chmoskey (whose latest short pamphlet - 'Occupy' (2012) (Occupied Media Pamphlet Series). New-York, Zuccotti Park Press. ISBN 978-1-88451-901-7) - brings together a course of action we could all follow in dealing with this period of strangulation of the common good.

 

He holds that society is divided into two classes; a 'plutonomy' and a 'precariat' the former (plutonomy) is dedicated to

buying luxury (there is a plutonomy index) the latter (precariat) are those people living in a precarious existence, they won't make demands, they are not trying to get wages, and they will definitely be bounced off any kind of benefits.

 

CitiGroup Bank came up with this smug corporate boom period of 2005 ode to greed brochure for investors called; ' Plutonomy Buying Luxuries Explaining Global Imbalances' which in great detail describes just how the precariat are expendable and that is where we are heading socially and economically;

 

so for those posters of whinging bigoted nonsensical rants against disabled, invalided, ill benefit receipients - are defintely not the 'plutonomy so what does that make you?'

 

I quote the conclusion of the report which whilst mentioning first the US & Canada has equal revelance for us in the UK as the so-called 'other anglo-saxons'

 

Conclusion

We are not often shocked. But shocked we were, when we published our note on the

Irrelevance of Oil, several weeks ago, and discovered just how significant the rich were

in terms of income, wealth and consumption in the U.S.

Looking into this in more detail, we have found that the U.S. is not alone. Un-equal

societies abound in the Anglo-Saxon world. This income inequality, we have called

Plutonomy.

Outlandish it may sound, but examined through the prism of plutonomy, some of the

great mysteries of the economic world seem to look less mystifying. As we showed,

there is a clear relationship between income inequality and low savings rates: the rich

are happy to run low or negative savings given their growing pool of wealth. In turn,

those countries with low/negative household savings rates tend to be the countries

associated with current account deficits.

So why should we equity strategists care about this? Well simply, because the issue that

most consistently seems to vex our equity client base, from a top down perspective, is

the U.S. current account deficit, the associated lack of savings, and the build-up of debt.

It is both intellectually fashionable and elegant, apparently, to attack “the crazy

American consumer, and his/her overspending”.

This has of course, from a portfolio perspective, been a costly trade to run-with, over the

last 10 years. Those “crazy American consumers” (we can include ourselves here in the UK) seem to be in rude health. Their

imminent demise has been a long time imminent.

If we are right, that the rise of income inequality, the rise of the rich, the rise of

plutonomy, is largely to blame for these “perplexing” global imbalances. Surely, then, it

is the collapse of plutonomy, rather than the collapse of the U.S. dollar that we should

worry about to bring an end to imbalances. In other words, we are fretting unnecessarily

about global imbalances. In turn, the risk premium on equities is probably too high.

Secondly, we hear so often about “the consumer”. But when we examine the data, there

is no such thing as “the consumer” in the U.S. or UK, or other plutonomy countries.

There are rich consumers, and there are the rest. The rich are getting richer, we have

contended, and they dominate consumption.

As the rich have been getting richer, so too stocks associated with the rich, have

performed exceptionally well. Our Plutonomy Basket, generated returns of 17.8% per

annum, on average, from 1985. If Plutonomy continues, which we think it will, if

income inequality is allowed to persist and widen, the plutonomy basket should continue

to do very well. Names in this basket that our analysts recommend as buys include

Julius Baer, Bulgari, Burberry, Richemont, Kuoni, and Toll Brothers

 

And so here we are quibbling about wheater someone is 'fit for work' on measely benefits whilst these bas***s consign everybody, but themselves, to the bone yard of history.

 

What we are caught up in is more than just a fight for benefits - the abolition of the welfare state in any shape or form,economic equality, social equality, racial equality, is just part of The Programme.

 

By the way this brochure for CiTi Group was hastily withdrawn after being inadvertently leaked into the public domain....by a few of their 'grey hungry wolves' (read gobsh**e traders)

[Saffy]

Not read all these posts and hope I'm not repeating ..

 

You only get ESA for 365 days .. After that you can apply if your partner works 12 hours or under. If he works more, tough luck.

[sheff1johnny]

they punish the disabled, you did nothing

now they punish our children, will you do anything

no I guess you probably won't,

because as long as your okay does anyone else matter?

[Teddybare]

they punish the disabled, you did nothing

now they punish our children, will you do anything

no I guess you probably won't,

because as long as your okay does anyone else matter?

 

Sadly, that's how society works. 300£ a week in ESA, DLA and housing benefit plus free vetinary treatment for your pets is better than it was in ancient Sparta though. So maybe things will continue to improve.

There has to be a better way to separate genuine claimants from the fraudsters than the current ATOS system. But possibly none that seem as cost-saving in the short term by the mercenary coalition.

I think disabled people should come together and terrorise the government. When I say terrorise I mean like the street party they upset nick clegg with. Shout loud or be ignored.

[Teddybare]

Here is somebody that I believe puts into perspective the present onslaught on 'benefits'; -

 

He is Noam Chmoskey (whose latest short pamphlet - 'Occupy' (2012) (Occupied Media Pamphlet Series). New-York, Zuccotti Park Press. ISBN 978-1-88451-901-7) - brings together a course of action we could all follow in dealing with this period of strangulation of the common good.

 

He holds that society is divided into two classes; a 'plutonomy' and a 'precariat' the former (plutonomy) is dedicated to

buying luxury (there is a plutonomy index) the latter (precariat) are those people living in a precarious existence, they won't make demands, they are not trying to get wages, and they will definitely be bounced off any kind of benefits.

 

CitiGroup Bank came up with this smug corporate boom period of 2005 ode to greed brochure for investors called; ' Plutonomy Buying Luxuries Explaining Global Imbalances' which in great detail describes just how the precariat are expendable and that is where we are heading socially and economically;

 

so for those posters of whinging bigoted nonsensical rants against disabled, invalided, ill benefit receipients - are defintely not the 'plutonomy so what does that make you?'

 

I quote the conclusion of the report which whilst mentioning first the US & Canada has equal revelance for us in the UK as the so-called 'other anglo-saxons'

 

Conclusion

We are not often shocked. But shocked we were, when we published our note on the

Irrelevance of Oil, several weeks ago, and discovered just how significant the rich were

in terms of income, wealth and consumption in the U.S.

Looking into this in more detail, we have found that the U.S. is not alone. Un-equal

societies abound in the Anglo-Saxon world. This income inequality, we have called

Plutonomy.

Outlandish it may sound, but examined through the prism of plutonomy, some of the

great mysteries of the economic world seem to look less mystifying. As we showed,

there is a clear relationship between income inequality and low savings rates: the rich

are happy to run low or negative savings given their growing pool of wealth. In turn,

those countries with low/negative household savings rates tend to be the countries

associated with current account deficits.

So why should we equity strategists care about this? Well simply, because the issue that

most consistently seems to vex our equity client base, from a top down perspective, is

the U.S. current account deficit, the associated lack of savings, and the build-up of debt.

It is both intellectually fashionable and elegant, apparently, to attack “the crazy

American consumer, and his/her overspending”.

This has of course, from a portfolio perspective, been a costly trade to run-with, over the

last 10 years. Those “crazy American consumers” (we can include ourselves here in the UK) seem to be in rude health. Their

imminent demise has been a long time imminent.

If we are right, that the rise of income inequality, the rise of the rich, the rise of

plutonomy, is largely to blame for these “perplexing” global imbalances. Surely, then, it

is the collapse of plutonomy, rather than the collapse of the U.S. dollar that we should

worry about to bring an end to imbalances. In other words, we are fretting unnecessarily

about global imbalances. In turn, the risk premium on equities is probably too high.

Secondly, we hear so often about “the consumer”. But when we examine the data, there

is no such thing as “the consumer” in the U.S. or UK, or other plutonomy countries.

There are rich consumers, and there are the rest. The rich are getting richer, we have

contended, and they dominate consumption.

As the rich have been getting richer, so too stocks associated with the rich, have

performed exceptionally well. Our Plutonomy Basket, generated returns of 17.8% per

annum, on average, from 1985. If Plutonomy continues, which we think it will, if

income inequality is allowed to persist and widen, the plutonomy basket should continue

to do very well. Names in this basket that our analysts recommend as buys include

Julius Baer, Bulgari, Burberry, Richemont, Kuoni, and Toll Brothers

 

And so here we are quibbling about wheater someone is 'fit for work' on measely benefits whilst these bas***s consign everybody, but themselves, to the bone yard of history.

 

What we are caught up in is more than just a fight for benefits - the abolition of the welfare state in any shape or form,economic equality, social equality, racial equality, is just part of The Programme.

 

By the way this brochure for CiTi Group was hastily withdrawn after being inadvertently leaked into the public domain....by a few of their 'grey hungry wolves' (read gobsh**e traders)

 

Chomsky's an anarchist. That involves complete removal of central government. If that happened, where would the DLA and ESA fortnightly bank giros come from?

Disabled people are being slapped by the hand that feeds them pretty hard(as are many other groups) but let's not forget it is the same hand that does actually feed them.

[Plain Talker]

Sadly, that's how society works. 300£ a week in ESA, DLA and housing benefit plus free vetinary treatment for your pets is better than it was in ancient Sparta though. So maybe things will continue to improve.

There has to be a better way to separate genuine claimants from the fraudsters than the current ATOS system. But possibly none that seem as cost-saving in the short term by the mercenary coalition.

I think disabled people should come together and terrorise the government. When I say terrorise I mean like the street party they upset nick clegg with. Shout loud or be ignored.

 

Who gets anywhere near £300/ week on ESA? (unless, perhaps, you've got herds of kids)

[pottedplant]

Who gets anywhere near £300/ week on ESA? (unless, perhaps, you've got herds of kids)

 

Teddybare did say the £300 was made up of a number of benefits:

 

300£ a week in ESA, DLA and housing benefit plus free vetinary treatment

[Plain Talker]

Teddybare did say the £300 was made up of a number of benefits:

 

300£ a week in ESA, DLA and housing benefit plus free vetinary treatment

 

what free vet treatment? You only get that if you are near a PDSA/ are on housing benefit... Not everyone lives near enough to a PDSA.

[Teddybare]

what free vet treatment? You only get that if you are near a PDSA/ are on housing benefit... Not everyone lives near enough to a PDSA.

 

Seem to be clutching at straws to find something to disagree with in my post.

ESA 200£ fortnight

DLA varies wildly

Housing benefit 400£ a month for individuals who can't work?

 

If we're including folks with loads of kids as well I reckon 300£ is a fairly low figure.

Go read chem1sts thread on citizens income. It makes far more sense and would be much fairer.