Jim Graham Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 You must have a fetish for champagne and jacuzzis. What we need is a value shift and a change in consiousness on the scale of the Rennaisance. If it could happen hundreds of years ago, in the darkest times of history, amidst fervent religious opposition, why can it not happen now/in a few years/in a few decades? I don't like champagne but I dislike champagne socialists even more. I think we have already had a value shift but it's gone too far. We've now reached the point where everyone has rights but nobody has responsibilities. The work ethic has been lost only to be replaced with a right to something for nothing. In the rush to share the wealth around and protect the poor and needy we have forgotten how to create true wealth but we haven't lost the ability to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAchilleasI Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 Then you're talking to the wrong audience - you need to convince the likes of the USA, China etc - not a few people on SF. There are other people around the world who share my train of thought and engage in activism. I play my part in the town I live, whether its online or IRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAchilleasI Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 we have forgotten how to create true wealth What does this true wealth consist of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 What we need is a value shift and a change in consiousness on the scale of the Rennaisance. If it could happen hundreds of years ago, in the darkest times of history, amidst fervent religious opposition, why can it not happen now/in a few years/in a few decades? I am not convinced, as you seem to be, that the Renaissance resulted in any inherent human value shift or change in consciousness. You imply that the less than laudable traits of humanity only remain because they have been 'locked-in' and encouraged by the monetary system. I don't agree. The traits remain because they remain an inherent part of our genetic make-up and the monetary system is a product of 'us' and not the other way around. However, if you think there is a system that can help humanity make an evolutionary quantum leap forward then we are are all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAchilleasI Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 The traits remain because they remain an inherent part of our genetic make-up and the monetary system is a product of 'us' and not the other way around. . So you're saying people are born greedy and corrupt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 So you're saying people are born greedy and corrupt? Have you got kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 There are other people around the world who share my train of thought and engage in activism. I play my part in the town I live, whether its online or IRL. yeah - it's the talk of all the forums in the world. Interesting to see how "popular" for instance the Venus Project website is - 66,000th most popular website in the USA http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thevenusproject.com and that the main visitors are; "males who are in the age range 18-24, have no children, received some college education and browse this site from home." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 What does this true wealth consist of? I'm guessing you aren't much of a wealth creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 What constitutes a wealth creator to you Jim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAchilleasI Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 Have you got kids? Any anecdotal evidence you might garner from my having kids or not isn't really proof that corruption and greed are genetically predetermined. yeah - it's the talk of all the forums in the world. I didn't say there are millions of people who advocate it, did I? and that the main visitors are; "males who are in the age range 18-24, have no children, received some college education and browse this site from home." Well, if that's not worthy of scorn, I don't know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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