andyofborg Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 It was a Labour idea for the Tories to take £5.4m in donations from insurance companies and then for Tory ministers to promote the insurance industry after implementing cuts in such a way that the insurance industry would receive a boost? You can rightly blame Labour for a lot of things, but not that you're looking for a conspiracy that doesn't exist here insurance of one sort or another has always been an alternative to funding non legal aid cases so its natural that it will expand to fill the gaps left by rolling back legal aid. if labour had won the last election they too probably would have savaged the legal aid budget as it's an easier target for cuts than something like the nhs or other welfare benefits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 How can you claim it's not the same as what Labour would have done, when it actually is what they were doing? They were planning to reform legal aid certainly. The costs had become too high and it was poorly targeted. That's where it ends. The devil is in the detail - for example Labour would not have removed legal aid support for social welfare and medical neglicence cases. Nor is it in the pocket of the insurance industry to the tune of £5.4m over the last ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 you're looking for a conspiracy that doesn't exist here insurance of one sort or another has always been an alternative to funding non legal aid cases so its natural that it will expand to fill the gaps left by rolling back legal aid. if labour had won the last election they too probably would have savaged the legal aid budget as it's an easier target for cuts than something like the nhs or other welfare benefits So you'll be happy to stump up your £150 annual premium for insurance you never needed until these Tory reforms And you'll be happy that for every £2 you pay in premiums the insurers will pocket £1 in profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 So you'll be happy to stump up your £150 annual premium for insurance you never needed until these Tory reforms And you'll be happy that for every £2 you pay in premiums the insurers will pocket £1 in profit How is this £1 profit guaranteed? Surely the market will be competitive as various firms try to win the business and the profit will be much smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 How is this £1 profit guaranteed? Surely the market will be competitive as various firms try to win the business and the profit will be much smaller. Read the link in the OP. The £1 figure is based on internal industry analysis so it's not for me to say whether it will be more or less than £1. Maybe you could contact the ABI with your questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sounds like the OFT should be revving it's engines, the only way they can predict a profit like that is if the industry is planning on a bit of price fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 They were planning to reform legal aid certainly. The costs had become too high and it was poorly targeted. That's where it ends. The devil is in the detail The details are exactly the same. The plans are unchanged from when they were introduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Whether Tory, Lab or Lib Dems are in power, all of them would continue with these reforms. As some point soon, those alligning themselves with various political parties will realise that none of them give a flying hoot about you when in power. They will always look after big industry and the elite. As for Labour, they shafted even the Unions, the people who put them into office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 The details are exactly the same. The plans are unchanged from when they were introduced. Nope. The legal aid bill is a Tory bill sponsored in the commons by Ken Clarke. First reading 2011. It was not introduced by Labour. Labour are pretty open that they would cut too. I'll repeat what I said though - the devil is in the detail. Labour and the LibDems oppose the bill on numerous technical issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Nope. I refer you back to post #2, from someone who's actually been dealing with these plans since they were first mooted. There have been no changes between then and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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