alchresearch Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Well I am. I will be a socialist till the day I die And that's the problem. No compromise. Also known as bloody mindedness. Why not take each thing as it comes along instead of dismissing it or the views of others outright? If I find a Tory policy that is wrong, I'll happily speak out and campaign against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 There have recently been nationwide recruitment exercises by HMRC. Is it really likely that people would opt to work in Barnsley, Sheffield, Bradford for example when offices in Manchester and Leeds were offering higher pay for the same jobs? If they lived in Barnsley, Sheffield or Bradford, then yes I expect so. Or if they were capable of understanding that the cost of living differs... In some ways we already have this with London Weighting but it will be interesting to see just how "local" the local facing pay agreements are going to be. I predict the PCS will ballot for strike action over it. Probably, but will they be right in doing so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 And that's the problem. No compromise. Also known as bloody mindedness. Why not take each thing as it comes along instead of dismissing it or the views of others outright? If I find a Tory policy that is wrong, I'll happily speak out and campaign against it. For me, that is the way of things. I just loathe and despise all things to do with anything tory Espescialy with with the creeps Osborns ane and Camereon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 And that's the problem. No compromise. Also known as bloody mindedness. Why not take each thing as it comes along instead of dismissing it or the views of others outright? If I find a Tory policy that is wrong, I'll happily speak out and campaign against it. What Tory policies don't you agree with? I've been accused of being a loony lefty on here but I opened this thread with a defence of the regional public sector pay policy. Can you say similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'm slightly confused, I thought these proposals were primarily about the civil service, but people are talking about nurses and other public sector jobs that aren't civil service. Have I misunderstood what the issue is, or have other people been deliberately clouding the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'm slightly confused, I thought these proposals were primarily about the civil service, but people are talking about nurses and other public sector jobs that aren't civil service. Have I misunderstood what the issue is, or have other people been deliberately clouding the issue? It's initally for a small number of government departments this year but it is planned to extend it to other departments. And others like nurses etc.. are not out of scope for future years as Osborne wants to abolish national pay bargaining for certain occupations - there was a good article by Tim Montgomerie about this on ConservativeHome recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 PFI is the scourge of the last 25 years. And we still have idiot politicians who believe in it. The Tories still seem pretty keen on it. Last year it was reported that a number of deals are being lined up in the educational sector - keep up to date with Private Eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 It's initally for a small number of government departments this year but it is planned to extend it to other departments. And others like nurses etc.. are not out of scope for future years as Osborne wants to abolish national pay bargaining for certain occupations - there was a good article by Tim Montgomerie about this on ConservativeHome recently. Health trusts (or whatever they're called today) already have the power to vary pay locally (so I read) but rarely choose to exercise it. I don't see why this is so controversial to be honest. I work on a self employed basis all over the place, including in London. The difference in the minimum rate I'll accept between Sheffield and London is 42%, that is I ask 42% more in order to work in London. Partly that's due to me having travel/accommodation expenses and not particularly wanting to work away from home, but the average difference is (I estimate) for what I do approaching 30%. I don't think that I'm somehow being penalised for living and working in Sheffield though, the cost of living is massively cheaper, I actually get a good deal out of it (otherwise I'd consider moving and being able to take that extra 30% without travel and accommodation to worry about). So all that said, why shouldn't it apply to civil servants as well, it is much cheaper to live in Sheffield than in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saunaman Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Totally agree with I1L2T3 (is that your number plate??) , Private Eye is superb for proper news , £26 a year not bad value , SUBSCRIBE I say !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Health trusts (or whatever they're called today) already have the power to vary pay locally (so I read) but rarely choose to exercise it. I don't see why this is so controversial to be honest. I work on a self employed basis all over the place, including in London. The difference in the minimum rate I'll accept between Sheffield and London is 42%, that is I ask 42% more in order to work in London. Partly that's due to me having travel/accommodation expenses and not particularly wanting to work away from home, but the average difference is (I estimate) for what I do approaching 30%. I don't think that I'm somehow being penalised for living and working in Sheffield though, the cost of living is massively cheaper, I actually get a good deal out of it (otherwise I'd consider moving and being able to take that extra 30% without travel and accommodation to worry about). So all that said, why shouldn't it apply to civil servants as well, it is much cheaper to live in Sheffield than in London. Believe it or not I totally agree with you. I'm all for bringing thousands of public sector jobs into Sheffield e.g. when government departments partially locate here. But I'm 100% against paying London wages for the higher ranking civil servants when they locate here and before anybody shouts I know what a mediocre deal the lower ranking civil servants already get in regional locations - I'm just hoping that however this policy shapes up it doesn't make the stupid mistake of making that worse. But the higher ranking regionally-based civil servants should be bang in the firing line for some rough treatment. They are simply not worth what they get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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