banjodeano Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 True, but should people who don't earn much be 'entitled' to luxuries? Where is the incentive to work harder and achieve more if people who earn very little have access to luxuries? Thats a brilliant idea Conrod, lets pay the workers so little that they have to live on a bowl of gruel a day, that will encourage them to work harder and step up the ladder to enjoy the luxury of bread and jam... your logic is mystifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soft Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Welfare payments and minimum wage are all way too high. Over recent decades there's been a rather unhealthy rise in expectations from those who achieve little but expect everything. People in low-skilled, low-paid jobs used to have to accept that they'd never be able to afford their own home or luxuries, or even to have a family. Now life's under-achievers are rewarded at every turn with tax breaks, child allowances and benefits to give them a lifestyle comparable with people who who studied and worked hard for demanding careers. Society's balance of effort/talent and reward has been cut to shreds, and that has led to much of the social decay we're living through now. I could not have put it better myself if I was also an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anywebsite Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 It's been explained before that if the Tories were only supported by the rich, they'd have a tiny percentage of the vote - not more than half. 36.1% is much less than half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenyweeny Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 20 fags a day = 40-50 quid a week= 160-200 quid a month= 1920-2400 quid a year. Is this a poor person?[/QUOte] What about the people who only smoke occasionally, or not as much as you are suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 What about the people who only smoke occasionally, or not as much as you are suggesting. They'll need deeper pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenyweeny Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 Some people on benefits know how to milk the system,what about those who are genuine out of work or ill through no fault of their own.Do these people get classed as scroungers,life is hard for even some who are working..Like i said earlier, there is a thin line between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Welfare payments and minimum wage are all way too high. Over recent decades there's been a rather unhealthy rise in expectations from those who achieve little but expect everything. People in low-skilled, low-paid jobs used to have to accept that they'd never be able to afford their own home or luxuries, or even to have a family. Now life's under-achievers are rewarded at every turn with tax breaks, child allowances and benefits to give them a lifestyle comparable with people who who studied and worked hard for demanding careers. Society's balance of effort/talent and reward has been cut to shreds, and that has led to much of the social decay we're living through now. What a load of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Some people on benefits know how to milk the system,what about those who are genuine out of work or ill through no fault of their own.Do these people get classed as scroungers,life is hard for even some who are working..Like i said earlier, there is a thin line between the two. Only by those who live in an empathy vacuum, but nevertheless the price increase on fags isn't being targeted at the poor, it's being targeted at people who choose to smoke fags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthenekred Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 What a load of nonsense. I was about to say the same myself but Mr Soft wrapped it up in a few words earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah-Lacie Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 But if you smoke 20 a day, the increase means you need to cut down on just under 1 fag a day, its not so drastic, and its not unthinkable. Buy 10 less a week, or smoke 19 a day, and you spend the same. ETA: I'm a 20 (now 18 or 19!) a day smoker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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