Are we really Secular?

[ronthenekred]

Laws which discriminate against individuals wishing to terminate their lives (personally, a human rights violation) are overseen and written into the state legislature by the Church (if not, one could be excused for believing they have a heavy influence).

 

Would it be fair to assume that laws overseen by the church restricting the termination of life could be deemed a little bias considering 1. Their worshippers of a flying thingy. 2. Their religious stance on life and death.

 

Let's get rid of these unelected White males who represent one church in a population now diverse. They're no more than privileged lobbyists.

 

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/03/bishops-in-the-lords-are-a-patronising-anachronism-say-secularists

[Bloomdido]

If I want to depart to the next life a little early, it should be my choice. Likewise if I want to do a bit of research with some stem cells. Religious people seem to think they have the moral high-ground here but have they actually read their holy books?

[GreenyGreen]

If I want to depart to the next life a little early, it should be my choice. Likewise if I want to do a bit of research with some stem cells. Religious people seem to think they have the moral high-ground here but have they actually read their holy books?

 

Are you saying their holy books actually condone 'helping' others to take their lives?

[Forumosaurus]

The laws are there not because of religion.

 

If you really believe that there wouldn't be people who would be encouraged into suicide by their families if assisted suicide was legal, then you're a moron.

 

Many of these people will not want to die, but feel they are a burden on their families and thus choose to do so.

 

This will be a sad state of affairs when people start killing themselves because they think their family want them dead for whatever reason. (Inheritance, no more burden).

 

This argument isn't about religion.

 

There are many people who will be pressured into assisted suicide if it was legal.

[LeMaquis]

Laws which discriminate against individuals wishing to terminate their lives (personally, a human rights violation) are overseen and written into the state legislature by the Church (if not, one could be excused for believing they have a heavy influence).

 

You don't seem 100% certain yourself. Parliament passes laws or accepts them from international organisations it is a member of such as the EU. The Church clearly has influence on some laws such as Sunday trading but not on issues like abortion, except in Northern Ireland. Whether it has influence on voluntary euthanasia you should have provided evidence for.

[Zamo]

Let's get rid of these unelected White males who represent one church in a population now diverse. They're no more than privileged lobbyists.

 

Having more representatives from other ethnic/religious backgrounds is not going to bring about a more secular and free society... it will make it worse.

 

In this country the biggest 'alternative' religion to Christianity is Islam. Take a look at countries where that religion is dominant and see what laws are "overseen and written into the state legislature". In the Islamic world there is considerably less freedom, tolerance and justice.

 

Be careful what you wish for.

[davi]

It is impossible to have an entirely secular society, Individuals naturaly try to form themselves into some kind of social group where they feel they belong.

However some societies make it more difficult to have an individual choice,where freethinkers risk being ostracised completely.

Its a bit like Dougal asking father Ted if the nazis are like priests.

" No, Dougal, the nazis dress in black and like to tell people what to do, whereas priests......"

[Bloomdido]

Are you saying their holy books actually condone 'helping' others to take their lives?

 

No, my point is that their holy books condone and even sanction wholesale slaughter of men, women and children.

[Lucifer]

Laws which discriminate against individuals wishing to terminate their lives (personally, a human rights violation) are overseen and written into the state legislature by the Church (if not, one could be excused for believing they have a heavy influence).

 

Would it be fair to assume that laws overseen by the church restricting the termination of life could be deemed a little bias considering 1. Their worshippers of a flying thingy. 2. Their religious stance on life and death.

 

Let's get rid of these unelected White males who represent one church in a population now diverse. They're no more than privileged lobbyists.

 

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/03/bishops-in-the-lords-are-a-patronising-anachronism-say-secularists

 

Why don't people just hold their breath.

[Cyclone]

Laws which discriminate against individuals wishing to terminate their lives (personally, a human rights violation) are overseen and written into the state legislature by the Church (if not, one could be excused for believing they have a heavy influence).

It's not discrimination if it applies to everyone.

Suicide isn't illegal though, only assisting someone is illegal.

 

Would it be fair to assume that laws overseen by the church restricting the termination of life could be deemed a little bias considering 1. Their worshippers of a flying thingy. 2. Their religious stance on life and death.

 

Let's get rid of these unelected White males who represent one church in a population now diverse. They're no more than privileged lobbyists.

 

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/03/bishops-in-the-lords-are-a-patronising-anachronism-say-secularists

 

The law does need reforming, but there are genuine fears that people could be forced into saying they want to end their life, or feel obliged to do that. These potential problems need to be thought about.