Frank Sidney Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Its been said that its been a good thing for politics. I suppose it will be entertaining and I like to watch George. But it has proved the old adage that politicians will say owt to get elected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksandr Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 be careful what you wish for? its not inconceivable that this is the very way that the Muslim vote can gain even more seats in the years to come and hey presto !! a muslim prime minister, 10 years i reckon is about on the mark:oIt also makes it more likely that Galloway's opponents will take a more radical stance. That is to say that we are more likely to see BNP type candidates being elected. British politics has now, and will continue to become, more radicalised, as will 'society'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 It also makes it more likely that Galloway's opponents will take a more radical stance. That is to say that we are more likely to see BNP type candidates being elected. British politics has now, and will continue to become, more radicalised, as will 'society'. An explosion among young and muslim votes does not seem to bode well for the BNP. They're all too busy interfering with children anyway|: A British National Party supporter who launched a four-year race hate campaign against his neighbours has been jailed for possessing child pornography. http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/1793/bnp-paedophile-locked-up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksandr Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 An explosion among young and muslim votes does not seem to bode well for the BNP. They're all too busy interfering with children anyway|: http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/1793/bnp-paedophile-locked-up Well, in the interest of fairness: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17158657 This seems to be a thing about extremists, of one sort or another. Perhaps it's not a constructive way to continue this debate though, as I doubt everyone concerned is a paedophile, but your point needed to be put down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Dome Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Er...riots have already happened, and they weren't about Islam. The paper might be right about Galloway's shameless manipulation and playing to the gallery, but to extrapolate that the UK will as a result fall under a radical Islamic rule is just that paper's usual xenophobic paranoia. I mean race riots, not that extreme shopping nonsense. The bolded quote is just daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janie48 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I agree with most of what you say but you missed out one of his attributes - brilliant orator. Ah yes his attributes! as well as his skill at oration,he's very entertaining as i recall on the "Big Brother" programme. (oooh those moods!) He is certainly an opportunist,i'll give him that. I hear he has just re-married for the fourth time (30 years younger) his child? from the the third marriage is now four monhs old. Need his personal life influence how we view his politics? probably not,but i think some would question his judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Well, in the interest of fairness: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17158657 This seems to be a thing about extremists, of one sort or another. Perhaps it's not a constructive way to continue this debate though, as I doubt everyone concerned is a paedophile, but your point needed to be put down. What's that link got to do with extremists? You think because they're asian they must be extremists? The BNP and EDL are riddled with child sex offenders. Other than there are other sex offenders your point makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 What's that link got to do with extremists? You think because they're asian they must be extremists? The BNP and EDL are riddled with child sex offenders. Other than there are other sex offenders your point makes no sense. Evidence to support your claim please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferno Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Evidence to support your claim please... Who says today’s politicians lack convictions? The British National Party is brimming with them – all of a criminal nature. “The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence,” its website states. But despite claiming to be a party of law and order, the BNP is home to criminals, racist thugs and football hooligans. The ranks of the criminals extend to the very highest level of the party. They include: Nick Griffin (Party Chairman) Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine The Rune carried obscene anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism. Tony Lecomber Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of homemade hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three-years imprisonment. In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions. Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer. John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment. Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members. Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser. Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home-town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity. Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub. Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him. Robert Bennett Robert Bennett. A leading activist in Oldham BNP during the 2002 elections campaign, Bennett has served five years in prison for the gang rape of a woman. He has also served seven years for armed robbery and has over 30 convictions in total. Mick Treacy. The Oldham organiser has five convictions for violence, theft, and handling stolen goods Darren Dobson. Found guilty of racially aggravated assault at Oldham magistrates in November 2001. Fined £300. Connected to football hooligans in the Oldham area, and has links to the nazi terror group Combat 18 Darren Hoy. April 2002, the BNP supporter was sent to prison for 3 months for racially abusing people as they left an anti-fascist rally in Oldham. In spite of this imposing list, when pressed by the BBC Panorama team in September 2001 on the convictions of its leading members, party leader Nick Griffin just lied. He claimed Tony Lecomber, his deputy merely had a conviction for handling fireworks. He also claimed that party chief steward Warren Bennett had a minor conviction “some 15 years ago” but had not been in trouble since. The truth is that Bennett has been named in the Scottish press for violence as recently as 2002. Griffin also tried to claim that Colin Smith had no convictions. http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg07.htm The BNP claims to be the party of law and order but its ranks are full of people with serious criminal records. Here are some of the most recent cases where BNP members have been convicted. To learn about BNP members' more serious crimes, visit the terrorist links. Ian Hindle Andrew Wells November 2008 Ian Hindle (left) | details | Jailed for three years for having sex with a child November 2008 Andrew Wells (right) Jailed for two years and three months after admitting engaging in sexual activity with a child and engaging in sexual activity in the presence of a child. October 2008 Lockart Kneen | details | Fined £150 and £115 after being found guilty of two counts of racially and religiously aggravated harrassment for affixing anti-Islamic stickers to packages he sent out in the mail. He ran an operation selling BNP magazines on the Internet and sent out packages with stickers that read "no more mosques." October 2008 Martin Glasgow | details | Chesterfield BNP fundholder Martin Glasgow is jailed for 12 months for a racist assault against an Asian man in June 2006. October 2008 Anthony Weeks | details | Darlington BNP member Anthony Weeks is given a ten month jail sentence, suspended for two years, and ordered to pay £600 in compensation to his victim and order to do 80 hours community service after admitting racially aggravated assault against an Egyptian customer at his place of work, a local cash and carry. After telling his victim that he was a member of the BNP Weeks then shouted "All you foreigners should not be in my country" before punching him. He was spared jail after his victim spoke up for him. The judge stated that "but for Mr Noaman's intervention, you would have gone immediately to prison." November 2007 Andrew Kendall | details | BNP supporter Andrew Kendall was given an 18 month conditional discharge and fined £200 for putting up a racially-offensive and threatening poster which showed three black men, the words read "Illegal immigrant murder scum" and contact details for the British National Party. October 2007 Shaun Jones | details | Welsh BNP supporter Shaun Jones is given a six month community order for threatening polling booth staff on 4 May 2007 with a stick after being told he was not registered to vote. He ignored advice from staff who gave him a phone number to call to register and instead continued shouting and swearing at them until he was arrested. He was also made to pay £150 costs. August 2007 Dominic Bugler | details | Bugler, the BNP candidate for Pelsall ward, Walsall, in the May 2007 elections is arrested and remanded in custody for the possession of an imitation firearm. He is later handed a two-year ASBO earned because he 'caused misery for residents through his violent and drunken behaviour' and which bans him from parts of Pelsall. The Aldridge and Brownhills Housing Trust won an eviction order against him too but he avoided this by moving of his own accord to a new address. Bugler also appeared in court charge with threatening behaviour towards his wife in late August and agreed to be bound over to keep the peace for 12 months for a sum of £200. Robert BennettJune 2007 Robert Bennett Robert Bennett, the convicted gang rapist who oversaw the BNP leafletting campaign in Oldham in 2002, is arrested for his part in a assault on his next door neighbour which began when they ask his son David to leave a BBQ after he began using racist language. David attacked his neighbour after refusing to leave . He returned with his father and the pair subsequently attacked both the male and female neighbour. Robert Bennett who admitted affray was sentenced to 150 hours community service and £250 compensation whilst his son, who also pleaded guilty, was sentenced to 250 hours community service and ordered to pay £500 compensation. May 2007 Jamie Sedgewick | details | Jamie Sedgewick, a BNP member from Morden is found guilty of screaming racist abuse at an Asian police officer as he was arrested whilst breaking up a fight at the Hideaway Bar, Kingston Road, in March 2006. March 2007 David Copeland | details | The Appeal Court increases David Copeland's sentence to a minimum of 50 years. The London nail bomber, who had been an active member of the BNP, had originally been sentenced to a minimum term of 30 years for the three bombs he set off in 1999 which killed three people and injured 139 others. John LaidlawFebruary 2007 John Laidlaw | details | John Laidlaw is sentenced to life after going on a shooting spree in north London in May 2006. He shot Abu Kamara in Upper Street before accidentally shooting Emma Sheridan at Finsbury Park Tube station, as he aimed at a second man. Laidlaw had a string of previous convictions starting at the age of 14. They included property damage, public order offences and 16 counts of theft and possession of knives. He also carried out seven armed street muggings and had been in and out of jail several times. In October 2004 he attacked a black motorist, hurling racist abuse at him. A police report written after Laidlaw was arrested for the attack said he behaved violently in front of officers and was "foaming at the mouth". "In the presence and hearing of the black female gaoler the defendant made racist comments and remarks, stating he was a member of the BNP and that he hated all black people," the document says. He also said he was going to "kill all black people". He was convicted of racially aggravated actual bodily harm and using racist language. Robert CottageFebruary 2007 Robert Cottage | details | Robert Cottage, a BNP member and former council election candidate, pleads guilty to possessing explosives. He denies, however, as does his co-defendant David Jackson, conspiracy to cause an explosion. The jury are unable to agree a verdict. A retrial will take place in July. David EnderbyJanuary 2007 David Enderby | details | David Enderby, a BNP councillor in Redditch, is found guilty of assault on three members of his estranged wife's family. He is fined £100 for each assault and ordered to pay £100 costs. His wife later told the local newspaper that he had a history of domestic violence. Mark BulmanJanuary 2007 Mark Bulman | details | Mark Bulman was jailed for five years for setting fire to Swindon's Broad Street mosque. He used a BNP leaflet as a fuse for his petrol bomb. Richard MulhallDecember 2006 Richard Mulhall | details | Richard Mulhall, the BNP's council group leader in Calderdale, was sentenced to do 200 hours of unpaid work on four counts of benefit fraud. Branding him "thoroughly dishonest", Recorder Felicity Davies said he only escaped jail because relevant legislation was not yet in force when he committed the offences. He was also ordered to pay £2,000 costs and to repay £603.18 in jobseekers' allowance. He had already repaid the housing benefit and council tax benefit. A jury had found him guilty in October of falsely claiming a total of £3,002.95 in benefits by concealing the fact that his partner was working. November 2006 Darren Francis BNP member Darren Francis is given a five-year restraining order after being found guilty of harassing Sally Keeble, the MP for Northampton North. Robert McGlynnSeptember 2006 Robert McGlynn | details | Robert McGlynn, a Swansea BNP activist, is fined £200 plus £200 costs for shouting racist abuse at an Asian woman. He was convicted on evidence from a passer-by. He later loses his appeal against conviction and is ordered to pay a further £140 in costs. Allen BoyceJuly 2006 Allen Boyce The former National Front Remembrance Day parade bugler Allen Boyce, 73, now a BNP supporter, receives a two-year suspended sentence for giving bomb-making instructions to Terry Collins, a BNP member, who was sentenced to five years in 2005 for conducting a racist hate campaign against the Asian community in Eastbourne. May 2006 Angela Clarke A former BNP councillor Angela Clarke is fined £200 for resisting arrest during a fracas. Kevin HughesMay 2006 Kevin Hughes Kevin Hughes, who acted as election agent for the BNP Redditch councillor David Enderby in May 2006, is sentenced to 30 months in prison for assaulting an Iraqi asylum seeker. The sentence is later reduced to two years on appeal. March 2006 Luke Smith A former BNP Burnley councillor Luke Smith is imprisoned for 11 months for violent disorder, and a further six months for other violent offences. He is also banned from football matches for six years. Smith was expelled from the BNP in 2003 following an assault on a BNP organiser. February 2006 Stephen Bailey Stephen Bailey, a Lincoln BNP activist, is convicted of 35 charges of criminal damage and 19 of arson. He set fire to sheds, litter bins and a car and is believed to have vandalised more than 80 cars by slashing tyres and damaging bodywork. Bailey was arrested after police seized computer equipment and documents from his home. November 2005 Roderick Rowley Roderick Rowley, a former BNP candidate in Coventry, is imprisoned for 15 months after admitting 14 charges of making, distributing or possessing obscene images of children. He is also ordered to register as a sex offender for ten years. Karl HansonMay 2005 Karl Hanson Karl Hanson is fined £400 for possessing heroin and crack cocaine. News of his arrest broke a few days before the May 2005 local elections in which he was a BNP candidate in Huddersfield. April 2005 John Cope John Cope, a Cheshunt BNP member and election candidate, is fined £750 and ordered to pay £104 costs for harassing an anti-racist campaigner. March 2005 Terry Collins Terry Collins, a BNP member, is sentenced to five years in prison for a year-long campaign of terror against Asian families in Eastbourne. He claims the BNP "brainwashed" him. Collins, a former Territorial Army soldier, admitted charges of arson, racially aggravated harassment and criminal damage. He also admitted the possession of bullets found in his home and asked for 11 further offences of racially aggravated criminal damage to be taken into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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