Petminder Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The article in the OP gives a fair few good examples of why this is not an option for everyone. What if the parents have downsized, had another child who has the old bedroom, relocated, what if the person has no family to go back to? Its never going to be as simple as it sounds on the face of it, and I personally, can't see it happening. Neither can I, The government are always going to have the problem of coming up with a fair benefits system that helps those in need, that isn’t open to abuse by those that don’t need it. Not an easy task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 As some people know I was a housing worker for a while. I used to feel really sorry for some young people who couldn't live with their families for all sorts of reasons, and for those who didn't have a family to live with. It made me glad my own children always had a home to come back to if necessary. Some young people believe they are entitled to have their own home without even thinking about affordability. They aren't sick or disabled, they have no job, no money, and little concept of the reality of paying for necessities. When we would speak to them about paying for it, their perception was often the rent wasn't a concern, because benefits would cover it. They usually hadn't considered the cost of furniture, or heating, washing their clothes etc. Young people without children, on basic JSA can't afford to run a home and many first time tenancies fail. How can these young people be supported? Should more families be prepared to support their children for longer? Are more hostels, run by social housing providers the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah-Lacie Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Should more families be prepared to support their children for longer? They definitely should, the old "You're out once you turn 18" attitude really has to change, it just doesn't work any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 How can these young people be supported? Should more families be prepared to support their children for longer? Are more hostels, run by social housing providers the answer? Maybe every town should have something similar to an army barracks for those people that can’t afford a place of their own, and don't have famaly to fall back on, in which they can reside for free and contribute to society by doing the jobs the council can’t be bothered to do, like cleaning the streets, cutting the grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottedplant Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Maybe every town should have something similar to an army barracks for those people that can’t afford a place of their own, and don't have famaly to fall back on, in which they can reside for free and contribute to society by doing the jobs the council can’t be bothered to do, like cleaning the streets, cutting the grass. Bit like the old work houses then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Bit like the old work houses then? No I was thinking more like army barracks and the residents clean the streets and other jobs that need doing in return for food and shelter, if that style accommodation is good enough for our armed forces then it must be good enough for those members of society that need an helping hand with food and shelter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 If the young people that work can't afford to move away from mum and dad, why should the young people that don't work be able to afford it through benefits? So yes maybe if they don’t get benefits it will encourage them to find a job. What if you have no parents and have to live alone? That happened to me at 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottedplant Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 No I was thinking more like army barracks and the residents clean the streets and other jobs that need doing in return for food and shelter, if that style accommodation is good enough for our armed forces then it must be good enough for those members of society that need an helping hand with food and shelter. Still sounds like the old workhouse model to me - be fed and given a bed in return for doing work- from Wikipedia: In England and Wales a workhouse, colloquially known as a spike, was a place where those unable to support themselves were offered accommodation and employment. The earliest known use of the term dates from 1631, in an account by the mayor of Abingdon reporting that "wee haue erected wthn our borough a workehouse to sett poore people to worke".[1] Would these people receive any money to spend at choice at all? would they be clothed too? And would you be happy for a child of yours to live in these barracks - maybe at age 17 and amongst 20/25 strangers? I do think there is a culture of expectation now with the "I have to have a 2 flat" when realistically a bedsit or (small scale) shared accommodation would be sufficient but workhosue type institutions would not be my choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Still sounds like the old workhouse model to me - be fed and given a bed in return for doing work- from Wikipedia: In England and Wales a workhouse, colloquially known as a spike, was a place where those unable to support themselves were offered accommodation and employment. The earliest known use of the term dates from 1631, in an account by the mayor of Abingdon reporting that "wee haue erected wthn our borough a workehouse to sett poore people to worke".[1] Would these people receive any money to spend at choice at all? would they be clothed too? And would you be happy for a child of yours to live in these barracks - maybe at age 17 and amongst 20/25 strangers? I do think there is a culture of expectation now with the "I have to have a 2 flat" when realistically a bedsit or (small scale) shared accommodation would be sufficient but workhosue type institutions would not be my choice. It’s about finding an alternative to housing benefits for under 25’s which is what the topic is about. It has been pointed out that some under 25 would be made homeless by the proposals so some kind of shared accommodation along the lines of what our armed forces personal are expected to live in would give them somewhere to live, it would be significantly cheaper than paying for them to have an individual house or flat, it would also give them some purpose to their lives if they are unemployed and many parents are already happy that their children live in such accommodation when they join the forces. At 16 I lived in a room with 30 other people and I made many new friends, I had a bed, a locker and three meals a day which I had to pay for out of my salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Web Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 self righteous right wing forum???? Are you for real, Sheffield is a Labour stronghold and if anything this forum reflects that fact pretty well. Its comments like yours that make many hate the left wing complainers like you. Are you for real? Most folk on SF would rather see young people die than pay a few quid extra in tax, hardly typical socialists left wing stuff is it? And since when have Labour been left wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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