flamingjimmy Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Disagree. Whilst there is no proof that she (ooh!) does or does not exist, reason has it that she does not! Precisely what reason is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B_1983 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Me?.....No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janie48 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 What about the acts of cruelty though? Why doesn't god intervene and stop those? There is no god by the way, just people daft enough to believe there is. Believers can't explain why God doesn't always appear to intervene where there are acts of cruelty,nor why there is any suffering at all for that matter,or why some suffer more then others and why people die prematuraly and others are left behind having to suffer the loss. But we do see that in humanity instances of acts of intervention are occurring all the time and those acts are so often unrecognised. Regarding your final comments.We do appear to have one thing in common on the subject,that being what some would perceive to be an arrogance of certainty,only you in one direction me in the opposite. As to "believers being daft" that may be the opinion of many,but I can live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borderline Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Believers can't explain why God doesn't always appear to intervene where there are acts of cruelty,nor why there is any suffering at all for that matter,or why some suffer more then others and why people die prematuraly and others are left behind having to suffer the loss. But we do see that in humanity instances of acts of intervention are occurring all the time and those acts are so often unrecognised. Regarding your final comments.We do appear to have one thing in common on the subject,that being what some would perceive to be an arrogance of certainty,only you in one direction me in the opposite. As to "believers being daft" that may be the opinion of many,but I can live with it.[/QUOTe] The Bible teaching on suffering, since we are still under sin anyone can suffer, unlike Jane48 I don't belive in a heaven. God's purposes is with this world (and soon to be revealed) that is what the Bible teaches only Matthew uses heaven and his words are Kingdom of heaven. Jesus will then have a thousand years before sin = death / suffering are finally destroyed God gave us his son and his plan. Organized religion and governments have deceived the people. But the message is there for a few. That we have free will and are not chemical reactions proves the Bible message. Anyone could pick up a Bible today or choose not too!!!! Wonderful Edited April 1, 2013 by esme tags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The Bible teaching on suffering, since we are still under sin anyone can suffer, unlike Jane48 I don't belive in a heaven. God's purposes is with this world (and soon to be revealed) that is what the Bible teaches only Matthew uses heaven and his words are Kingdom of heaven. Jesus will then have a thousand years before sin = death / suffering are finally destroyed God gave us his son and his plan. Organized religion and governments have deceived the people. But the message is there for a few. That we have free will and are not chemical reactions proves the Bible message. Anyone could pick up a Bible today or choose not too!!!! Wonderful What makes your holy texts any more valid than other holy texts though? Why do you believe yours over others? That we have free will and are not chemical reactions proves the Bible message If we're talking proof, what makes you think we "are not chemical reactions" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Believers can't explain why God doesn't always appear to intervene where there are acts of cruelty,nor why there is any suffering at all for that matter,or why some suffer more then others and why people die prematuraly and others are left behind having to suffer the loss. But we do see that in humanity instances of acts of intervention are occurring all the time and those acts are so often unrecognised. Regarding your final comments.We do appear to have one thing in common on the subject,that being what some would perceive to be an arrogance of certainty,only you in one direction me in the opposite. As to "believers being daft" that may be the opinion of many,but I can live with it.[/QUOTe] The Bible teaching on suffering, since we are still under sin anyone can suffer, unlike Jane48 I don't belive in a heaven. God's purposes is with this world (and soon to be revealed) that is what the Bible teaches only Matthew uses heaven and his words are Kingdom of heaven. Jesus will then have a thousand years before sin = death / suffering are finally destroyed God gave us his son and his plan. Organized religion and governments have deceived the people. But the message is there for a few. That we have free will and are not chemical reactions proves the Bible message. Anyone could pick up a Bible today or choose not too!!!! Wonderful Just like you choose not to answer questions regarding the false scientific claims and dodgy predictions you claim are in the Bible made by your organisation. Free will certainly is useful. Edited April 1, 2013 by esme tags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Just like you choose not to answer questions regarding the false scientific claims and dodgy predictions you claim are in the Bible made by your organisation. Free will certainly is useful. For Janie's sake, I corrected the quoting system which Borderline broke!... Believers can't explain why God doesn't always appear to intervene where there are acts of cruelty,nor why there is any suffering at all for that matter,or why some suffer more then others and why people die prematuraly and others are left behind having to suffer the loss. But we do see that in humanity instances of acts of intervention are occurring all the time and those acts are so often unrecognised. Regarding your final comments.We do appear to have one thing in common on the subject,that being what some would perceive to be an arrogance of certainty,only you in one direction me in the opposite. As to "believers being daft" that may be the opinion of many,but I can live with it. The Bible teaching on suffering, since we are still under sin anyone can suffer, unlike Jane48 I don't belive in a heaven. God's purposes is with this world (and soon to be revealed) that is what the Bible teaches only Matthew uses heaven and his words are Kingdom of heaven. Jesus will then have a thousand years before sin = death / suffering are finally destroyed God gave us his son and his plan. Organized religion and governments have deceived the people. But the message is there for a few. That we have free will and are not chemical reactions proves the Bible message. Anyone could pick up a Bible today or choose not too!!!! Wonderful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Regardless of any human religious experience, I think it's fair to assume that gods exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Regardless of any human religious experience, I think it's fair to assume that gods exist. How so ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I think it's fair to assume that gods exist. For what reasons? Genuinely interested to hear your answers. You're one of the smarter ones here that doesn't prescribe themselves as an atheist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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