USA Vs UK.. a war in 2012, who would win?

[callippo]

Hardly so. There were two battles that decided the outcome, both American victories. The first was at Baltimore, the second New Orleans. That brought an end to the war and from then on relations between both countries became much better

 

the United States achieved none of their war aims and Britain couldn't really have cared less about it, being much more involved at the time in other theaters, especially in western Europe. You could possibly make a case for Canada being the winner, even though it wasn't strictly speaking even a belligerent but even that is a bit dubious. One thing is for sure about the war of 1812. It's not who won, but who lost. And it was the Indians that lost.

[Harleyman]

As much chance as we had.We Bankrupted ourselves fighting the Kaiser whilst the yanks sat at home bleating about democracy and freedom. Quite happy to see us go under. The only reason the Yanks entered the war was Pearl harbour and the fact that Hitler declared war on them.

 

If Halifax had become PM instead of Churchill, the war would have ended in 1940. Hitler would have attacked Russia. We would have retained the empire and control of the seas. USA would have remained what it was 5th largest army, isolated, revelling in its mediocrity.

 

It has taken the US less than 20 years to go from the worlds superpower to a declining, sad, almost bankrupt nation.

 

Over the next 100 years it will continue to decline. Third world here they come.

 

Germany and the Kaiser werent the bad men. The agro between Germany and Britain was the threat that the British government saw in the rise of Germany and it's building up a navy that would rival the Royal Navy. The Kaiser in fact wanted a grand alliamce with Britain but Britain fixated with the threat of a major rival decided instead to ally with France it's historical enemy.

It was also a war of inter European rivallries started by old men with big moustaches and dressed in comic opera uniforms. There was nothing glorious in it, a wholesale slaughter of Europe's best young men in a senselless cause that achieved nothing except to put Europe back half a century and the Americans wanted nothing to do with it.

The sinking of American ships by German U-boats and the torpedoing of the Lusitania killing many American passengers was one reason America entered.

 

They sent over 2 million soldiers to France which placed the Germans in the impossible situation of being hopelessly outnumbered plus the fact that they were starving to death

 

 

As for WW2 the US army had a force of around 14o,000 at the start with tanks that were obsolete.

Three years later they were able to carry out Operation Torch in North Africa and supply the European theater as well as the Pacific theater with men and all the equipment to fight a war.

 

It's a fallacy to think that in 1939 America was like the Commonwealth countries. Much of the population were from countries other than Britain and many had no love for the countries they had left in Europe so small wonder that there was little sentiment to join another European war at that time especially since the senseless slaughter of WW1

[Eric_Collins]

Dear B.A. Baraca Abarma

 

Us lot in England wanna fight to see who wins.

 

Lots of love

 

Norman Clegg & David Cameroon.

 

P.s. looser keeps Jeremy Kyle.

[poppins]

Dear B.A. Baraca Abarma

 

Us lot in England wanna fight to see who wins.

 

Lots of love

 

Norman Clegg & David Cameroon.

 

P.s. looser keeps Jeremy Kyle.

 

No , looser keeps Piers Morgan

[denomis]

You have all made the mistake that the uk has less manpower just look north of America and see how many troops we have on the yanks doorstep. They are better knows as Canadians. And we could probably get the Mexicans Cubans and maybe France.

[Shogun]

Where would this big battle take place,would the Americas cross the Atlantic on mass like an armada, would they send long range bombers to drop bombs on us or would we invade New York from the sea, or would we arrange to meet up on some neutral ground somewhere to have a punch up.

[denomis]

Where would this big battle take place,would the Americas cross the Atlantic on mass like an armada, would they send long range bombers to drop bombs on us or would we invade New York from the sea, or would we arrange to meet up on some neutral ground somewhere to have a punch up.

 

That would depend who strikes first. If its us we would hit them from Canada we could also send in the Aussies? Have a read up on "war plan red" it's an old plan to deal with the Canadians if we were to attack.

[callippo]

Much of the population were from countries other than Britain and many had no love for the countries they had left in Europe so small wonder that there was little sentiment to join another European war at that time especially since the senseless slaughter of WW1

 

both the 20th century world wars divided America, there is no question about that, however in the second one, it was handy that the Japanese were one of the enemies, because hardly any Americans in 1941 were of Japanese descent, but there were loads of British and Germans, Norwegians and so on. There were millions of German Americans as opposed to only thousands of Japanese Americans. That was basically why Americans drew a distinction between the Japanese enemy, who they regarded as being almost sub-human, and Germans, who they imagined were just like them, but had just gone astray a little bit.

[Harleyman]

You have all made the mistake that the uk has less manpower just look north of America and see how many troops we have on the yanks doorstep. They are better knows as Canadians. And we could probably get the Mexicans Cubans and maybe France.

 

:hihi:

[Harleyman]

both the 20th century world wars divided America, there is no question about that, however in the second one, it was handy that the Japanese were one of the enemies, because hardly any Americans in 1941 were of Japanese descent, but there were loads of British and Germans, Norwegians and so on. There were millions of German Americans as opposed to only thousands of Japanese Americans. That was basically why Americans drew a distinction between the Japanese enemy, who they regarded as being almost sub-human, and Germans, who they imagined were just like them, but had just gone astray a little bit.

 

The German-American Bunds were very strong and there was a substantial feeling of empathy for Mussolini by Italian-Americans.

Aside form that the overwhelming sentiment wasi Isolationist. No one but an idiot who was politically suicidal would have declared war against Germany in 1939. Roosevelt realized that sooner or later the US would have to become involved anyway but in 1939 he had no power to do it

neither was the US prepared militarily. There were plenty of fighter aircraft, mostly the P-40 which were shipped via Canada to England to avioid violating neutrality laws.

 

One somewhat comical way to get around it was for an American pilot to fly his P-40 smack up to the Canadian border and park it in front of the International border line. The Canadians would then attach a rope to the aircraft and pull it across the line into Canada that way avoiding accusations that the Americans were flying them into Canada and aiding a country at war. Crazy but it worked.

 

The Japanese-Americans on the other hand were rarely supportive of Japan but they were rounded up and interred in camps far away from the Pacific coast which was later widely condemned.

 

The Japanes-American soldiers were among the best. The 442 Regimental Combat Team, motto "Go for Broke" won the highest number of decorations of any American military unit fighting in Europe