USA Vs UK.. a war in 2012, who would win?

[players]

It was American policy at the turn of the century to kill as many Filipinos as possible. The rationale was straightforward:

 

 

"With a very few exceptions, practically the entire population has been hostile to us at heart," wrote Brigadier General J. Franklin Bell, a propos our seizure of the Philippines.

 

"In order to combat such a population, it is necessary to make the state of war as insupportable as possible, and there is no more efficacious way of accomplishing this than by keeping the minds of the people in such a state of anxiety and apprehension that living under such conditions will soon become intolerable."

The comparison of this highly successful operation with our less successful adventure in Vietnam was made by, among others, Bernard Fall, who referred to our conquest of the Philippines as "the bloodiest colonial war (in proportion to population) ever fought by a white power in Asia; it cost the lives of 3,000,000 Filipinos." (cf. E. Ahmed's "The Theory and Fallacies of Counter-Insurgency," The Nation, August 2, 1971.)

 

 

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1981/oct/22/verifying-genocide/

[callippo]

so it's three million now is it? What happened to the original 1.5 million figure? Was that not enough for you? So half the population of the Philippines vanished during the insurgency? Care to explain how the population and life expectancy in the Philippines doubled during the American period? Was it that the Americans, instead of going to the great trouble and expense of immunising them from the diseases that had previously been felling Filipinos like flies were in fact injecting them with cyanide?

 

WARNING

 

the link below is a proper source, rather than some Marxist fantasist jerking off :

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thcentury/articles/philippineinsurrection.aspx

 

Estimates on the number of Filipinos dead range from 200,000 to 600,000. These numbers are indicative of the intensity of both the insurgency and the counterinsurgency.

[players]

A detailed estimate of both civilian and American military dead is offered by historian John Gates, who sums up the subject as follows:

 

"Of some 125,000 Americans who fought in the Islands at one time or another, almost 4,000 died there. Of the non-Muslim Filipino population, which numbered approximately 6,700,000, at least 34,000 lost their lives as a direct result of the war, and as many as 200,000 may have died as a result of the cholera epidemic at the war's end. The U. S. Army's death rate in the Philippine-American War (32/1000) was the equivalent of the nation having lost over 86,000 (of roughly 2,700,000 engaged) during the Vietnam war instead of approximately 58,000 who were lost in that conflict. For the Filipinos, the loss of 34,000 lives was equivalent to the United States losing over a million people from a population of roughly 250 million, and if the cholera deaths are also attributed to the war, the equivalent death toll for the United States would be over 8,000,000. This war about which one hears so little was not a minor skirmish."[24]

 

Yet another estimate states, "Philippine military deaths are estimated at 20,000 with 16,000 actually counted, while civilian deaths numbered between 250,000 and 1,000,000 Filipinos. These numbers take into account those killed by war, malnutrition, and a cholera epidemic that raged during the war."[25]

 

21) "The History of Samar" from Secretary Root's Record

 

22) The Burning of Samar and The Balangiga Massacre

 

23) The Philippine-American War, See Note 1

 

24) John Gates, The U.S. Army and Irregular Warfare, Chapter 3, "The Pacification of the Philippines"

 

25) The Philippine-American War

 

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/war.crimes/US/U.S.Philippines.htm#23

[buck]

21) "The History of Samar" from Secretary Root's Record

 

22) The Burning of Samar and The Balangiga Massacre

 

23) The Philippine-American War, See Note 1

 

24) John Gates, The U.S. Army and Irregular Warfare, Chapter 3, "The Pacification of the Philippines"

 

25) The Philippine-American War

 

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/war.crimes/US/U.S.Philippines.htm#23

You must lead a sad little life with nothing better to do than pump out other peoples opinions, and poor ones at that. I dare say you have never met a philopino in your miserable experience. I have met many. They are among the most pleasant and likeable persons on earth, and have a great regard for the USA. Why don't you go away and bother the Leeds forum for a while.

[BritishProud]

How would America plan to attack the UK in the thirties. The country had hardly any army or weapons, but more imprortantly no desire or reason to.They didn't need our coal, they had plenty of their own. they didn't like our cars, . FACT

 

Hey don't ask me I watched a Doccumentry about it, they had plans to attack, Eliminate us, then take over our Empire.

 

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/mx2m5/america's-planned-war-on-britain-revealed

 

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p121_HNAC.html

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4hjyyrpiKQ

[BritishProud]

You people and the rubbish you dig up from YouTube America in the 30s was deep in the Big Depression. They had enough problems of their own without going to war with a country 3000 miles away.

 

Are you forgetting that Canada was only next door to them, which was part of our Empire. Attacking them would had been an act of War against Britain.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4hjyyrpiKQ

 

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/mx2m5/america's-planned-war-on-britain-revealed

 

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p121_HNAC.html

[buck]

Are you forgetting that Canada was only next door to them, which was part of our Empire. Attacking them would had been an act of War against Britain.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4hjyyrpiKQ

 

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/mx2m5/america's-planned-war-on-britain-revealed

 

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p121_HNAC.html

So now its Canada was the target? Sorry, I didn't know that. I was a resident and citizen of that country for nine years, but of course we didn't have youtube to enlighten us at that time. America might have lost that one, cos Canada was better armed then. Would have been nice to be warm once in a while. RadioTimes!!!! unbelievable!!

[players]

You must lead a sad little life with nothing better to do than pump out other peoples opinions, and poor ones at that. I dare say you have never met a philopino in your miserable experience. I have met many. They are among the most pleasant and likeable persons on earth, and have a great regard for the USA. Why don't you go away and bother the Leeds forum for a while.

 

Filipino. Spell it right, at least.

[buck]

Filipino. Spell it right, at least.

Is that the best you can do? Is it called the filipines? Talk when you've had an education.

[Harleyman]

The video seems like a bit of a joke. It presumes that the war would be fought very similarly to the kind that was fought during WW1 with no mention whatsoever of air power being involved and it would have definitely been air power that would have resolved the issue one way or another.

 

Did the RAF have the Spitfire and Hurricanes operational in the 1930s. how about bombers?

 

I dont know what the Americans had for aircraft except that the first production models of the B-17 Bomber were being delivered to the Army Air Corps. As for fighter aircraft, whatever was in production, these could have been produced and entered the war at very short notice whereas there were no production facilities in Canada able to produce fighters or bombers for the Royal Air Force and these would have had to be ferried across the Atlantic and assembled on arrival in Canada. How long would that have taken and under what circumstances?

 

A smart tactician on the American side could have used India as a weapon against Britain.

An absolute gurantee of immediate independence for that country if America won the war might just have fomented an uprising on a large scale by Indian nationalists who were already calling loudly for independence from Britain in the 1930s. Britain would have had to divert large numbers of her army to deal with that situation.

 

Whatever the outcome of the war between America and Britain Hitler would have definitely been victorious in Europe.

Britain would have been in no shape to declare war on him after he had carried out his invasion of Poland and without Britain at it's side France would have had no stomach for another war with Germany.

 

Anyway it's all hooeey. I dont know why the subject even came up on the thread.