andyofborg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 The point I'm making is that if the yes campaign had won the initial referendum you can bet your ass that they wouldnt have bothered about a second referendum! of course not, because that would have meant that the treaty would have been acceptable so what would be the point on having another vote on an already acceptable treaty. the second vote was on an amended treaty which addressed the issues raised by ireland and as it was a diferent treaty then it wasn't really a second vote but another first vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 hahahahahahahahahahaha...:hihi: The city of London wrote this article. These figures include National Insurance & employee taxes (which they try to avoid all the time, and have HMRC running round in circles for). We bailed the banks to the tune of £850 billion including QE. Do the Math! No - the amount actually spent (as opposed to underwritten) is significantly less - approx £124 billion. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/reality-check-with-polly-curtis/2011/sep/12/reality-check-banking-bailout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hots on Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 of course not, because that would have meant that the treaty would have been acceptable so what would be the point on having another vote on an already acceptable treaty. the second vote was on an amended treaty which addressed the issues raised by ireland and as it was a diferent treaty then it wasn't really a second vote but another first vote Wasn't really a second vote but another first vote, I like that. I dont think they were that many who voted no the first time but then voted yes the second time; I'd be interested to see the voter turnouts of both referendums because I suspect that many could'nt be bothered the second time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 So far we have bailed out Greece, Portugal, Ireland and are now being asked to bail out Spain. In spite of this, all are being asked to continue and indeed increase austerity measures which are not sustainable and will lead to hunger and homelessness. Who next? The Euro and EU have failed in their current form and cannot continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 It might be worth mentioning that with increased economic cooperation Europe hasn't been waging war on itself for 70 years which is, I think, a record. Even if it is at the expense of the little man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 So far we have bailed out Greece, Portugal, Ireland and are now being asked to bail out Spain. In spite of this, all are being asked to continue and indeed increase austerity measures which are not sustainable and will lead to hunger and homelessness. Who next? The Euro and EU have failed in their current form and cannot continue. Who is this "we" bailing out Greece etc? The UK hasn't been contributing to the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) which is the main bailout vehicle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Financial_Stability_Facility http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16082752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Wasn't really a second vote but another first vote, I like that. I dont think they were that many who voted no the first time but then voted yes the second time; I'd be interested to see the voter turnouts of both referendums because I suspect that many could'nt be bothered the second time around. actually no: first referendum 46.6 yes, 53.4% no, turnout 53% second referendum 67.1%1 32.9% no turnout 59% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_European_Constitution_referendum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 It might be worth mentioning that with increased economic cooperation Europe hasn't been waging war on itself for 70 years which is, I think, a record. Only if you ignore the various wars that have taken place in that time, mostly in the Balkans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Only if you ignore the various wars that have taken place in that time, mostly in the Balkans. there haven't been that many on mainland europe and the balkan wars were essentially civil wars following the unwinding of yugoslavia rather than wars between states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Who is this "we" bailing out Greece etc? The UK hasn't been contributing to the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) which is the main bailout vehicle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Financial_Stability_Facility http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16082752 WE have just given 10 billion to the IMF which is also being used to bail out Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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