Jeffrey Shaw Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 It might be worth mentioning that with increased economic cooperation Europe hasn't been waging war on itself for 70 years which is, I think, a record. That's nothing to do with EU, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Only if you ignore the various wars that have taken place in that time, mostly in the Balkans. Civil war, technically but as they've split into Bosnia, Croatia etc you have a point. But we havent had France v Germany, France v England etc etc. So that's good !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 That's nothing to do with EU, of course. of course it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Europe is broke. THe EU is run by unelected European Commisioners at great expense. It is a gravy train for the few. That is why they want to keep it running against against the odds. They do not like the British and never have. (They wouldn't even let us join at first.) The new markets are the BRIC countries. We also have Commonwealth links around the World. These are the markets we should be focussing on. The EU is /will become a millstone round our necks. We should leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 WE have just given 10 billion to the IMF which is also being used to bail out Europe. Maybe you need to take a bit more time reading the news as your wrong again. We haven't given anything to anybody, we have loaned just under £10 billion to the IMF. Although we'd rather not loan the money, we do benefit from the stability that the IMF is working towards and it would have been churlish not to contribute towards it's resources. This is peanuts compared to the amount that Eurozone countries have been bailed out, Greece's alone runs into the hundreds of billions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 of course it is Tell you what, lets put that to the test. We can leave the EU and if in a few years we've nuked the Czech Republic and the Royal Marines are busy laying waste to the Algarve then you're right. If everyones just trading perfectly normally in their own sensible currencies that take account of their own economic conditions and all we've actually lost is a very expensive unaccountable supranational bureaucracy then you're wrong. I'll bet a grand that you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share Posted April 22, 2012 Weren't you saying a while back that you were going to vote for UKIP? I said im that sick of the 3 main parties im tempted to vote for UKIP as a protest vote to get a referendum. No - the amount actually spent (as opposed to underwritten) is significantly less - approx £124 billion. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/reality-check-with-polly-curtis/2011/sep/12/reality-check-banking-bailout Do you think the underwritten assets we have guaranteed are actually correct? All the major banks have massive losses on their loans. However, instead of marking these loans to the market value they use mark-to-fiction accounting. That allows them to hide their losses and drip feed these loan losses onto their books over many many years. Its helps for those lovely banker bonuses though. WE have just given 10 billion to the IMF which is also being used to bail out Europe. Yup, on top of £30 billion prior. Maybe you need to take a bit more time reading the news as your wrong again. We haven't given anything to anybody, we have loaned just under £10 billion to the IMF. Although we'd rather not loan the money, we do benefit from the stability that the IMF is working towards and it would have been churlish not to contribute towards it's resources. This is peanuts compared to the amount that Eurozone countries have been bailed out, Greece's alone runs into the hundreds of billions. We can debate this all day. I firmly believe we have been sold a pup and are continuing to be. Even the FT is actually speaking about this now. Nice article from the beeb here for you though. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13798000 Should we get back on topic. EU referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 They do not like the British and never have. (They wouldn't even let us join at first.) We refused to join at first. Only half a decade later, when we decided we'd changed our minds, did de Gaulle veto our application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Europe is broke. THe EU is run by unelected European Commisioners at great expense. it's run by the national governments and eu parliament the commission can do nothing without their approval. The new markets are the BRIC countries. We also have Commonwealth links around the World. These are the markets we should be focussing on. indeed and i'm sure we are doing, however something like 50% of our trade is with the eu so we simply can't ignore them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 indeed and i'm sure we are doing, however something like 50% of our trade is with the eu so we simply can't ignore them. Nobody is suggesting ignoring "them". We continue to trade with "them", being European countries we just don't live under the supranational crap imposed by the EU commision. The EU is doomed. It committed suicide by pursuing ever closer integration and ever wider expansion at the same time. What works for a peasant village in Romania does not work in Berlin or London and vice versa. Now is the time to leave this mess and give courage to Germany to leave, then the whole corrupt mess collapses and as friendly but free nations we can start to pick up the pieces left by this arrogant experiment in supranationalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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