ricgem2002 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 they should indeed start at day one, but at least they get those rights after 12 weeks whereas the alternative would be not to have them at all so why do you think its ok for someone in say france gets them from day one and someone here has to work 12 weeks ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 In law, no. A referendum in the UK is not legally binding. In practice, though, is another question. If a government held a referendum on subject X, a large majority voted in favour, and the government refused to pass it - how well do you think that government would fare at the next election? holding a referendum would require a law to be passed and that could make the result binding but doing so would destroy pretty much any chance of negotiating an exit which didn't cripple the uk economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 so why do you think its ok for someone in say france gets them from day one and someone here has to work 12 weeks ? i don't, which is why my comment started with "they should indeed start at day one" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradescanthia Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 pity the eu laws didnt protect agency workers when it comes to being given the same rights as "workers". any agency worker working in this country has to work for 12 weeks before being given the same rights. yet any agency worker working in the eu (outside england) these same rights start from day one I fully agree with you. This is an example of British employment law at its worst. Tony Blairs [Labour ????] government wasn't much better. My employer uses agency workers a lot. They are treat like crap, sent home at a minutes notice, no guarantee of hours etc. My employer would treat us the same if it weren't for different contracts, but the Torys have designs on getting rid of these as well. For working the same hours, doing the same work, an agency worker is well over £100 a week worse off than us. He gets less holidays as well, it's pathetic. WE NEED MORE EUROPEAN LAW, NOT LESS !!!!! UKIP are only Torys under another name, they only have one policy - EUROPE. They couldn't govern even if they were elected. Our Trade Unions are totally useless as well, they have allowed all this to happen. i have only 2 years to retirement, thank God !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 i don't, which is why my comment started with "they should indeed start at day one" i wasnt getting at you. i meant to ask why do we stand for the 12 week rule when other countries dont ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I've yet to hear a good argument from anybody anywhere why we should NOT have a referendum. Anybody care to oblige? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradescanthia Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 i wasnt getting at you. i meant to ask why do we stand for the 12 week rule when other countries dont ? Because our country appears to choose which rules to obey and which to disregard. European employment law is far fairer than UK law. We in the UK only hear about the bad bits of EU law, not the good bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 i wasnt getting at you. i meant to ask why do we stand for the 12 week rule when other countries dont ? i believe that it was the previous labour administration that did this, i'm sure one of their apologists will be along shortly to explain why they did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I fully agree with you. This is an example of British employment law at its worst. Tony Blairs [Labour ????] government wasn't much better. My employer uses agency workers a lot. They are treat like crap, sent home at a minutes notice, no guarantee of hours etc. My employer would treat us the same if it weren't for different contracts, but the Torys have designs on getting rid of these as well. For working the same hours, doing the same work, an agency worker is well over £100 a week worse off than us. He gets less holidays as well, it's pathetic. WE NEED MORE EUROPEAN LAW, NOT LESS !!!!! UKIP are only Torys under another name, they only have one policy - EUROPE. They couldn't govern even if they were elected. Our Trade Unions are totally useless as well, they have allowed all this to happen. i have only 2 years to retirement, thank God !!!!! i have another 20 odd years left yet but i can not see this getting any better. more and more companies will be employing temp workers when such as people like you retire. taking away not only job security but leaving them with no chance of getting on the property ladder (will the banks lend money )to someone with no job security. the young people of today will not have the same rights as we once had unless this changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradescanthia Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I've yet to hear a good argument from anybody anywhere why we should NOT have a referendum. Anybody care to oblige? There's no need for a referendum, we have General Elections, we elect MP's, they decide. If we dont agree with our MP's stance on Europe, vote him out.....simples... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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