ricgem2002 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Haven't the tube drivers held London to ransom over the Olympics? "Give us £500 or we'll strike during the Olympics". In the public sector it is much harder to get rid of unions. The only real way of doing it is privatisation. The unions bring it on themselves. yea look at what privatisation done for the country we are held to ransom over gas/electricity/water prices ? take a look in sheffield veolia/capita etc all private companies making huge profits that we the taxpayer is paying for:huh:. how many companies are now british owned ?thatcher did the miners ok but left the people of the country at the mercy of foreign countries dictating what we pay. yea go private its the only way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Taking that odious little man Scargill, and the miner's strike, which I understand has personal implications for you, out of the equation, wouldn't you agree that the Union movement has made a contribution to the lot of the working man by improving conditions and wages? Looking back at working conditions in the 19th century what do you think would have happened without the work of the unions? I am not a historian of the union movement. It may well be that originally, in the 19th century unions were full of good intentions. In my working life of over 50 years I consider they have been an unmitigated disaster, the miners, steel and print strikes were avoidable. The unions saw the opportunity to bring down the tories and that was their motive in striking. Similarly the Public service unions were calling for strikes almost before Cameron moved into No10. I regard socialism and union activity as being the same. Fuelled by envy, dedicated to defeating excellence, committed to making sure we all wallow in the same mediocrity, it is doomed to failure, and when it fails it will be "others" who are responsible. The Tories, the bankers, the private schools, anything that fails to conform with the world view tht they sheepishly adhere to. I hope that answers your question. Thank you for the courteous manner in which it was put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 yea look at what privatisation done for the country we are held to ransom over gas/electricity/water prices ? take a look in sheffield veolia/capita etc all private companies making huge profits that we the taxpayer is paying for:huh:. how many companies are now british owned ?thatcher did the miners ok but left the people of the country at the mercy of foreign countries dictating what we pay. yea go private its the only way It is called globalisation, British companies own a good many overseas businesses. Would you turn away Nissan and Toyota, Honda, Siemens etc? Why is making "huge profits" a bad thing? From profit comes tax from tax comes pensions, social security payments, the NHS, Police, etc etc. No foreign countries dictate what we pay, the last one do do that was the USSR through its servants the British Unions, luckily the Tories took them on and won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 The next public service I would privatise would be the Border and Immigration service. There would be no queues if G4S were running it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 yea look at what privatisation done for the country we are held to ransom over gas/electricity/water prices ? take a look in sheffield veolia/capita etc all private companies making huge profits that we the taxpayer is paying for:huh:. how many companies are now british owned ?thatcher did the miners ok but left the people of the country at the mercy of foreign countries dictating what we pay. yea go private its the only way I am not suggesting all privatisation has been a great success. I am saying that at the time it was the only way to get rid of the infestation of unions that were holding the country to ransom and bringing it to the brink of economic meltdown. The point I made is that the unions brought it on themselves. You can bet the public sector unions will bring us all the privatisation of education, health and any other service they abuse to fight their 19th century class war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I am not a historian of the union movement. It may well be that originally, in the 19th century unions were full of good intentions. In my working life of over 50 years I consider they have been an unmitigated disaster, the miners, steel and print strikes were avoidable. The unions saw the opportunity to bring down the tories and that was their motive in striking. Similarly the Public service unions were calling for strikes almost before Cameron moved into No10. I regard socialism and union activity as being the same. Fuelled by envy, dedicated to defeating excellence, committed to making sure we all wallow in the same mediocrity, it is doomed to failure, and when it fails it will be "others" who are responsible. The Tories, the bankers, the private schools, anything that fails to conform with the world view tht they sheepishly adhere to. I hope that answers your question. Thank you for the courteous manner in which it was put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 The next public service I would privatise would be the Border and Immigration service. There would be no queues if G4S were running it. is this the same company that put a electronic tag on someones false leg :hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 It is called globalisation, British companies own a good many overseas businesses. Would you turn away Nissan and Toyota, Honda, Siemens etc? Why is making "huge profits" a bad thing? From profit comes tax from tax comes pensions, social security payments, the NHS, Police, etc etc. No foreign countries dictate what we pay, the last one do do that was the USSR through its servants the British Unions, luckily the Tories took them on and won. Yes, he/she would. And IKEA as well. Oh wait ..................... Sheffield City Council have already done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 is this the same company that put a electronic tag on someones false leg :hihi: I think that was Reliance , but you might be right, G4S is the one that has lead the improvement in standards in the UK prison service, reads millions of gas and electric meters and carries out searches at many of our airports. It has been in business since the mid 60s, employs hundreds of thousands worldwide. But hey you put one tag on a wooden leg!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 It is called globalisation, British companies own a good many overseas businesses. Would you turn away Nissan and Toyota, Honda, Siemens etc? Why is making "huge profits" a bad thing? From profit comes tax from tax comes pensions, social security payments, the NHS, Police, etc etc. No foreign countries dictate what we pay, the last one do do that was the USSR through its servants the British Unions, luckily the Tories took them on and won. you really are not all there are you how much tax does these companies actually pay10%? who said anything about foreign countries dictate what we pay? foreign companies who own the energy companies who now supply us dictate what we pay eg edf etc. you just cant bring yourself to admit that the unions have improved working conditions for the working man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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