People voting Labour in protest

[WeX]

Yes but class prejudice works both ways, and while some sneer at those with more money as 'out of touch' (as Tory MP Nadine Dorries recently implied of Cameron and Osborne); many more look down their noses at those with little money or breeding as the new Üntermensch.

 

Personally, given the number of very rich people compared to those of medium to low incomes I would say there are more reverse snobs than actual snobs. Its just that many don't see it for what it is because its the norm.

[Uptowngirl]

Its all a bit puzzling really.

 

Labour made a big mess of it.

Condems are making a mess of sorting the last mess out

So we vote for the original cause of the mess because the new lot are making a mess of sorting their mess out...

 

I'm not sure that its that clear cut.

The upshot of Thursdays elections is the Tories still have around 9000 councillors in the UK which is more than all the other parties put together. So its hardly surprising that should lose a few in tough times. Its about double the number they had in 1997.

Labour have around 6000 council seats which is about half the number they had in 1997 when Blair finally made the party electable again.

It seems to me that the rise and fall of political parties is hardly dependant on one set of council elections held in tough times.

I'll look again when the current recession is over and the country goes to the polls feling happy that things are on the up. Losing 400 seats when your majority is 4000 is barely significant, but retaining your London Mayor in such circumstance just might be.

[taxman]

Because councillors work locally. Their work shouldn't have anything to do with national issues.

I noticed it was only Labour who used these national tactics in their election broadcasts - "if you disagree with the NHS changes vote Labour".

 

Then why are they members of national political parties?

[donkey]

So everyone is upset with Cameron and Clegg for not magically finding 200billion quid down the back of the sofa. Fair enough, if you wanted to air your grievances why not vote Green, voting for those Labour muppets who had a massive amount to do us being in this mess in the first place and who have learnt absolutely nothing is not a protest vote, they will think you actually want them back in! Did you forget about the PFI projects we will be paying for for the next 100 years, NHS 12billion computer system, ID cards, Passport computer system, the 500million fire station project, Blairs lies, Browns incompetence, their ignoring the Bank of englands warnings, need I carry on?

 

To give them credit, their continuing to spend billions even when they knew we were totally screwed,so they could us in an even bigger mess when they lost the election worked like a dream. People upset at not having a solid gold house have voted for them again.

 

 

I suppose those who tend to concentrate on what was going on in politics three years ago might have missed more recent events which others have picked up on, such as:

 

The proven reluctance of Cameron and chums to speak out against the illegal and corrupting activities of NewsCorp, nor to distance themselves from the known criminals in that organisation until they have been absolutely forced to do so.

 

The unfailing drive from the coalition of millionaires to ensure people less well off than themselves endure the brunt of the calamity brought about by people just like themselves.

 

Their obvious determination to destroy the NHS by enforcing changes which health experts are almost unanimous in declaring to be chaotic and unworkable.

 

If you want to go along with the fantasy that such an obvious bunch of self-centred liars and swindlers have your interests at heart, that's you right, but don't expect the rest of us to vote for our own de-frauding.

 

The reason why people have not gone for the obvious choices for protest votes is because it is not a protest vote. Many are now realising what the tories are up to, and they want them out. This is not going to happen while the LibDems remains the 'rubber stamp' party. Erroding coalition power at a local level is not only a good start, but it is the only option available at the moment.

[go4it]

 

Their obvious determination to destroy the NHS by enforcing changes which health experts are almost unanimous in declaring to be chaotic and unworkable.

 

 

The NHS changes are needed but are opposed by those who fear for their jobs. This is the backbone of a lot of votes for Labour.

 

Labour hate the private sector, and want all the jobs in the public sector. Problem is when all the jobs are in the public sector, standards drop. If you have only Tesco shops in a city, standards fall as there is no competition. Everyone needs competition to improve standards. Labour believe that everyone in the public sector will have the highest standards, but the sad reality is some people are lazy and can't be bothered.

 

When you look at the protest to the cuts - a lot of it is protest from those fearing for those jobs. In 13 years Labour did a great job at turning one job into three, in the way that there was only ever one job but made it so that 3 people got paid for doing it.

 

The bottom line is the British public are lazy and are the laughing stock of places like China. This country will never sort itself out as everytime the Tory's get in and try and sort things out, Labour will get back in and make a mess.

[RosyRat]

Labour hate the private sector, and want all the jobs in the public sector.

 

So this is why most of the key Council services in Sheffield are outsourced to private companies, is it? Labour hate the private sector so much that waste collection & recycling is done by Veolia, housing repairs & maintenance by Kier, the Highways PFI money is going to pay Amey for resurfacing all the roads and payments & the Council's finances are in the hands of Capita. A handful of residential homes are managed by Sheffcare & the vast majority run by private, profit-making organisations.

Get real.

[neeeeeeeeeek]

So this is why most of the key Council services in Sheffield are outsourced to private companies, is it? Labour hate the private sector so much that waste collection & recycling is done by Veolia, housing repairs & maintenance by Kier, the Highways PFI money is going to pay Amey for resurfacing all the roads and payments & the Council's finances are in the hands of Capita. A handful of residential homes are managed by Sheffcare & the vast majority run by private, profit-making organisations.

Get real.

 

And at a guess, I bet most of those contracts awarded by Labour were badly managed, badly tendered and will cost us all. Pretty much like the PFI fiasco.

[RosyRat]

And at a guess, I bet most of those contracts awarded by Labour were badly managed, badly tendered and will cost us all. Pretty much like the PFI fiasco.

 

No. And the PFI contract hasn't even started.

[dosxuk]

Labour hate the private sector, and want all the jobs in the public sector.

 

How many industries did Labour nationalise during their 13 year tenure?

 

Only one I can think of is Network Rail, and they still use plenty of private companies to actually do their work.

 

Problem is when all the jobs are in the public sector, standards drop. If you have only Tesco shops in a city, standards fall as there is no competition. Everyone needs competition to improve standards.

 

Yup, standards and prices of water are so much better now that we have companies competing with each other... Some things - public services (hospitals / libraries / police / transport ) and utilities - work much better as a public company because there's little to no competition between potential suppliers, and any profits make, instead of going to improve those services, go to the shareholders.

 

And worse than all of the mistaken privatisations is the public company that have been forced into a semi-monopoly in areas which no commercial companies would ever want. Examples being the Post Office and BT, both who've been on the verge of collapse several times in recent years. The Post Office should have been kept as a public service which contacted out the actual delivery service to interested parties, using the money they pay to provide the unprofitable delivery services, not to pay the shareholders to badger the Government to put the prices of stamps up.

[donkey]

The NHS changes are needed but are opposed by those who fear for their jobs. This is the backbone of a lot of votes for Labour.

 

If you have only Tesco shops in a city, standards fall as there is no competition. Everyone needs competition to improve standards.

When you look at the protest to the cuts - a lot of it is protest from those fearing for those jobs.

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So when the Royal College of Surgeons oppose the 'reforms', they are doing it because they are afraid they will lose their jobs?

 

Ditto the 90% of hospital doctors who oppose the NHS deforms. They are afraid they will lose their jobs. Right?

 

Tesco will be able to put in a tender using the massive surpluss of trained doctors and surgeons at their disposal, and the public will get more choice and cheaper health care. Right?

 

If not, they could at least use some of their massive marketing budget to make idiots believe such gibberish. The new corporate surgeries could operate at a loss until the smaller surgeries were forced out of business. Health care could really benefit from such private sector 'efficiency.'

 

This is exactly the kind of confused and demented drivel which results when highly trained experts with years of experience are over-ruled by deluded zealots whose main motivation is greed and who believe their cliche'd, one dimensional dogma can improve on complex processes about which they clearly don't even understand the basics.