Uptowngirl Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Why would you want to weatherboard the disabled? It sounds a bit extreme to me. I think he/she is getting ever more desperate to make a political point here. The reality is that they've already decided 500,000 are going to have their benefit stopped regardless. No they haven't. What they have decided is to clamp down on abuse and fraud which it is estimated will remove 500,000 who are abusing the system from fraudulently claiming benefits they are not entitled to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsexydoug Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 the threads about those who'll be kicked off DLA. I'm sure that the slight increase will be of great comfort to the random 500,000 they've already decided to stop the DLA for. ahhh so you dont want to discuss the whole subject just the part you dont agree with, even then im suprised you dont agree with the payments for those being increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brin56 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 For those who will be affected by the proposed reforms to the DLA and those who are not too concerned about their potential chances of ever, ever being made 'disabled' by Life and the Universe As We Know It! Some nuggets...for this late time of the night ... The DLA has the lowest fraud rate (0.5%) and the highest under claim rate, so an awful lot of people who deserve this benefit are going to lose it even though there will have been no improvement in their condition or circumstances. The change of name from DLA to PIP is so that the government can legally change the conditions for entitlement. It's not about re-assessing the people who get DLA, but moving the goalposts so that fewer people qualify. The Disability Alliance have given written notice to the Government t effectively saying if they press ahead with trying to cut the DLA budget by 20% or £2 billion they will take action in the High Court and European Courts,since they are using a different language about the proposed changes and have said that nothing has been decided yet and no changes will start untill 2013 allowing for further discussion. Personal Independence Payment (PIP) What is PIP? The personal independence payment (PIP) replaces working age disability living allowance (DLA) from April 2013. PIP will have many similarities with DLA. In particular it will have two components: a daily living component (which has similarities to the current care component) and a mobility component. Despite the similarities to disability living allowance DA believes that the main intention behind PIP is to save money and that the tests, as laid out in the draft regulations, are more strict. What are the rules? To get the personal independence payment you must: be age 16-64 (or below pensionable age, whichever is the higher) satisfy the daily living and/or mobility activities test for 3 months prior to claiming and be likely to continue to satisfy this test for a period of at least 9 months after claiming (this is 9 month period is called the prospective test). You will not necessarily have to wait three months before getting PIP as the qualifying period starts from when your eligible needs arise and not from when you make a claim. pass the residence and presence test pass the habitual residence test You will not be able to claim PIP once you reach the age of 65 but you will be able to stay on PIP if you claimed/received it before the age cut off point. You can receive PIP whether you are in or out of work. How much is PIP? The amounts of PIP have not been set yet but the personal independence payment will have two components, each with two rates: Daily living component standard rate – If you have a limited ability to carry out daily living activities. enhanced rate – If you have a severely limited ability to carry out daily living activities Mobility component standard rate – If you have a limited ability to carry out mobility activities. enhanced rate - If you have a severely limited ability to carry out mobility activities. If you have a terminal illness (if you are suffering from a progressive disease where death can be expected within 6 months.) you will automatically receive the daily living component enhanced rate and will not have to satisfy the period condition for the mobility component. If you are in a care home you will be entitled to the mobility component so long as you satisfy the qualifying conditions. If you are paid PIP you are free to spend the money in the way that suits you best. The Activities tests In order to qualify for any component of PIP you will have score a certain number of points in relation to 11 activities. These are: Preparing food and drink Taking nutrition Managing therapy or monitoring a health condition Bathing and grooming Managing toilet needs or incontinence Dressing and undressing Communicating Engaging socially Making financial decisions Planning and following a journey Moving around The activities 'Planning and following a journey' and 'Moving around' are used in the test for mobility. All the other activities are used in the test for daily living. Each activity has a set of descriptors. Points are awarded on the basis of your limitations with respect to each activity. The proposed entitlement thresholds for the rates and components of the PIP are: Daily Living component (from activities 1-9) Standard rate: 8 points Enhanced rate: 12 points Mobility component (from activities 10-11) Standard rate: 8 points Enhanced rate: 12 points The choice of which descriptor applies will be based on consideration of a 12 month period. If you cannot carry out the descriptor for an activity for more than 6 months, aggregated over the 12 month period, you will be awarded the appropriate points. If you have a fluctuating condition the most appropriate descriptor will be considered to be the one which is likely to apply for the greatest proportion of that time. If you are waiting for further treatment, descriptor choices will be based on the likely continuing impact of the health condition or impairment as if any treatment or further intervention has not occurred. How will the activities tests be applied? An independent health professional will look at the evidence contained within your claim. This will include your claim form and medical evidence from your GP or consultant, if you have one. You are also likely to be asked to attend a face-to-face consultation with the independent health professional. If you are called for one of these you will be able to take someone with you such as a family member, carer or anyone else. Following this process the independent health professional will give advice to a benefit decision maker at the Department for Work and Pensions who will be the one who actually decides if you are entitled to PIP and which component applies. The decision maker will also decide the length of your award and the date at which it will be reviewed. The length of award will be based on your needs and the likelihood of your health condition or impairment changing. Depending on your circumstances you may get a short award of up to 2 years or a longer award lasting up to 5 or 10 years. If you are given a longer award you may still be contacted, during this time, to see if your needs have changed. Residence tests The tests for residence and presence will be similar to those used for DLA. However the Government intends to replace the ordinary residence test used in DLA with the habitual residence test used in means tested benefits such as income support and housing benefit PIP and DLA If you are currently receiving Disability Living Allowance (DLA) and you are between the ages of 16 and 64 you will be tested under the new benefit rules/conditions for PIP between April 2013 and 2016. If you pass the conditions for PIP you will be moved/migrated onto it. You will not have to meet the PIP three month qualifying period but you will have to satisfy the 9 month prospective test. Transfer to PIP from DLA is not automatic. You must make a claim for PIP. The DWP will write to those on DLA about making a new claim between October 2013 and March 2016. Children under 16 may be migrated onto PIP at a later date. "The Government recognises that the needs of children can be different from those of adults and is committed to learning from the experience of implementing the new benefit for individuals of working age before extending it to children. This means children below age 16 will continue to be able to claim DLA, and we will consult before making any significant changes to these arrang (DWP: Personal Independence Payment 21/11/2011] There are currently no proposals to migrate those on DLA onto PIP if they are on attendance allowance or over 65 and claiming DLA. PIP and carer’s allowance The Government intends that both the daily living components of PIP will act as a passport to carer’s allowance in the same way as the middle and higher care components of disability living allowance. Pip and Motability Currently DLA acts as a passport to help under the Motability Scheme. The Government intends that PIP will work in the same way though as yet it has not been decided whether the highest mobility component or both mobility components will be a passport to Motability help. Pip and transport passports The Department for Work and Pensions is working with the Department for Transport to see which of the current transport passports will be carried over to PIP. Currently the higher rate mobility component of DLA is a passport to: automatic qualification for a Blue Badge eligibility for concessionary travel (free off-peak travel on local buses); exemption from Vehicle Excise Duty; the age at which a driver licence can be issued (16 instead of 17); and exemption from payment for a medical examination for the purpose of obtaining an exemption from wearing seat belts. The timetable for PIP is as follows: April 2013 – An initial pilot of a few thousand new PIP claims June 2013 – All new claims will be for PIP. October 2013 - If you are on working age DLA and you report a change in your condition or your award is due to be renewed you will be reassessed under PIP. A few thousand other cases will be reassessed using random national selection. January 2014 - full reassessment as part of rolling schedule using a random national selection. You will told when your reassessment is due. It is intended that all existing DLA claimants will have been given the opportunity to claim personal independence payment by March 2016. Maybe Reploy Sheffield should make a pitch to counteract G4 Security being top of the list of Contractors to do the assessments A lutta continua! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 The DLA has the lowest fraud rate (0.5%) Who says that it is only 0.5%, and who says that there are as many as half a million fraudulent claimants? Clearly they can't be coming from the same source... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brin56 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Heading North - I think you may find this site interesting... http://www.benefitfraud.org.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Web Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 I think he/she is getting ever more desperate to make a political point here. No they haven't. What they have decided is to clamp down on abuse and fraud which it is estimated will remove 500,000 who are abusing the system from fraudulently claiming benefits they are not entitled to. No that's what they've told you, I just can't beleive so many of you that gullible and full of hatred that you beleive it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Web Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 ahhh so you dont want to discuss the whole subject just the part you dont agree with, even then im suprised you dont agree with the payments for those being increased. Why would I or anyone complain about something they beleive is right and should happen anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 No that's what they've told you, I just can't beleive so many of you that gullible and full of hatred that you beleive it. Beleive what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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