Is there any wonder some of our young don’t want to work.

[MrSmith]

So you are suggesting slavery?

Along with concentration camps?

I remember something similar about 80 years ago in Germany.

 

No slavery if forced labour in which the slave is the property of the owner. Any one will be free to find work, work for themselves, not work for no money or do some work in return for some community labour.

[MrSmith]

Imagine how much better off they'd all be if all 3 of them got a job...

 

Apparently they can't because of their disabilities.

[MrSmith]

Your scenario is rather simplistic though isn't it.

This isn’t a government white paper it’s an opinion of a forum.

How do you actually check that a given person is doing the community work they should, who provides the tools to do it, who organises it and overseas it??? All these things will actually cost money, and if working on community projects how is that person supposed to be looking for a real job?

And what's to stop the council laying off the road sweeper and a few weeks later declaring that it's community work that no one is doing, and hence getting it done for free?

 

The unemployed range from ex forces, managers, people with lots of experience and people with none. I'm sure it would be possible to work something out, about who do what, some will manage whilst other do paperwork.

 

Rich is a good example of someone whom claims benefits but does voluntary work in the community, and it would cost the tax payer more to employ someone than it costs for Rich to do what he does. I imagine it gives him some pride knowing that he’s contributing and it also gives him something to do. There’s nothing wrong with people doing something for the benefits they receive.

 

They wouldn’t be required to work full time and the tools would be provided by the council from the savings made by not housing everyone in individual houses.

[MrSmith]

How does this work for a family? Do they all go and live in the workhouse?

They stay in their house and do some work for the benefits they receive.

 

Unemployed single person living with mum and dad on £60 JSA could do 10 hours community work

Unemployed single person with no home could be provided with cheap army style accommodation in return for some work.

Unemployed ex forces or manager with experience of supervising and motivating people, on £300 a week in benefits could do 30 hours supervising a group.

Unemployed person with a disability could spend some time in an off with a phone organising the teams and doing paper work.

Any one on unemployment could spend some time working for charities.

The skills in our unemployed people can be utilised and used for the benefit of society in return for the benefits they receive.

 

Its cost a fortune to keep them and they do nothing in return, it isn’t too much to ask that they do something for the money they receive.

Some already do like Rich and good on him for doing it voluntarily.

 

The skill required to manage it are already in place and paid for by the tax payer, unemployment officers, job centre staff, would have something better to do with their time. than just get someone to sign on the dotted line and hand out some free money.

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I work a six day week. luv it.

 

The trade unions fought for a shorter working week, better working conditions, and a decent wage not a basic subsistance wage.

We were told that the developement of modern technology was to benefit all, instead, once developed with our tax paid grants much of the work was shipped abroad. So who got the benefit?

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Where would the money come from to employ them all full time?

 

We are talking about giving someone an helping hand that can’t find full time work.

Ask the likes of Abu Hamza, they seem to have no trouble getting money.

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This discussion started with my suggestion that if the council provided accommodation like army barracks and gave people the opportunity to work in return for food and accommodation, it would be cheaper than giving them money to rent a house and buy food.

 

Accommodating 40 people together and feeding them together is much cheaper than giving them individual houses and money to buy food and it works well in all our armed forces, no reason why it shouldn’t be used and work well for an army of unemployed people that need a helping hand until they find permanent work. Obviously for the young unemployed that can stay with mum and dad, they would just get their basic unemployment benefits in return for a few hours work.

 

To be quite frank with you it seems that you're wanting to return to the days of workhouses and forced labour.

 

Why aren't you sugesting making these people work?

 

They cost the country £4.1 Billion a year

 

 

England and Wales has one of the highest rates of incarceration in Western Europe, along with Scotland: In 2011 an average of 152 people in every 100,000 were in prison.[1]

 

On 22 February 2008, prisons in England and Wales had exceeded their "operational capacity" with just over 82,000 prisoners.[2] This is a near-doubling of the English and Welsh total from 42,000 in 1991; furthermore the Home Office predicts a population of 110,000 by 2010. As of a report by http://www.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/resourcecentre/publicationsdocuments/index.asp?cat=85 produced on 26th November 2010 the incarceration rate of the UK is 85,458 which is below the previous anticipated figure of the home office.

 

In 2004, each prisoner cost the taxpayer an average of £38,000.[3] The rise in the prison population has been substantially driven by harsher sentencing. In 1995, 129 people were in prison for shoplifting; in 2005, it was 1,400. In 2001, 3,000 people were sent to prison for petty theft for a first time offence. One third of petty offenders lose their home while in custody; two-fifths lose contact with their families; two-thirds lose their jobs. Around half of all prisoners have a reading age less than an 11-year old. Two in five prisoners lack basic literacy skills and four in five do not have basic numeracy.[4]

 

All this contributes to reoffending rates of 59% within two years.[citation needed] The number of women in prison has risen disproportionately - from 1,800 in 1994 to 4,500 in 2004. 40% of women going to prison have previously attempted suicide.[5]

 

In January 2008 it emerged that over 16,000 prisoners had been released early over the previous 7 months in an attempt to free up prison places.[6]

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Unemployed single person living with mum and dad on £60 JSA could do 10 hours community work.

 

And what about prisoners working, the people who you are wanting to work for benefits would love a proper job.

 

How many unemployed get benefits of £38000 per year (£730 PW) which is what it costs to keep a single prisoner in jail?

[Balpin]

I work a six day week. luv it.

 

You ought to look at yourself.

It seems you are being used.

[MrSmith]

To be quite frank with you it seems that you're wanting to return to the days of workhouses and forced labour.

 

Why aren't you sugesting making these people work?

 

They cost the country £4.1 Billion a year

 

I am. Working for their benefits will give them an incentive to find a full time job, but if they can't al least they will be doing something for the money they receive.

 

And how would it be forced labour? No one would be required to do it, but it would be a condition of receiving benefits.

It’s no different to me working to pay for food and accommodation, if I don’t work and wouldn’t have money.