Is there any wonder some of our young don’t want to work.

[MrSmith]

I'm realistic. I know that some of the more skilled positions would be filled by foreign nationals, quite simply because our skills base has been so eroded. But you ignore my emphasis on the projects being set up to help get our 1 million unemployed 16-24 yo unemployed back on their feet.

 

In your scheme how would you stop people coming here to claim benefits, no doubt happy with a roof over their heads in return for a few hours work a week?

 

Stopping someone moving to the UK for the purpose of claiming benefits is easy to stop, by making sure the benefits paid here aren’t as good as they are somewhere else. Or even easier just stop them coming here to claim benefits.

 

There were plenty of jobs for the unemployed that were filled by foreign workers, supposedly because the jobs were usually low paid menial work that our unemployed didn't want to do. There is little point in creating jobs if our unemployed won’t do them or don’t have the skills to do them, so how will you incentivise them to take the jobs.

[MrSmith]

Neither have you for that matter

 

Actually I have, but you being very slow and selective about what you read have obviously missed it.

[I1L2T3]

Stopping someone moving to the UK for the purpose of claiming benefits is easy to stop, by making sure the benefits paid here aren’t as good as they are somewhere else. Or even easier just stop them coming here to claim benefits.

 

There were plenty of jobs for the unemployed that were filled by foreign workers, supposedly because the jobs were usually low paid menial work that our unemployed didn't want to do. There is little point in creating jobs if our unemployed won’t do them or don’t have the skills to do them, so how will you incentivise them to take the jobs.

 

There's a difference between offering somebody a rubbish job and offering a decent training opportunity.

 

The other side to this of course is that British employers are rejecting British workers. How does picking up litter make somebody more employable?

[Jim Graham]

I'm realistic. I know that some of the more skilled positions would be filled by foreign nationals, quite simply because our skills base has been so eroded.

 

Skilled people coming here have good jobs and pay their taxes. They contribute to the economy. The problem is the benefits system is so generous that it doesn't pay to work at the lower end of the scale.

 

Immigrants can come here, work 12 hours a day, sleep in shifts in one bed, have little expenditure and still have money to send money home to support families elsewhere. That is why they come. Brits have much higher expectations and politicians have devised a system that unconditionally hands them all their basic needs and plenty more besides.

 

Our skills base has not been eroded it's just that we have an education system that is not fit for purpose. It doesn't supply industry with people with the right skills. We have more lawyers, accountants and media studies graduates than you shake a stick at but you can't find a plumber or electrician for love nor money. The government spends billions on wasteful IT projects but does nothing to make sure the country has enough IT specialists. The Olympics was largely engineered by Americans, Germans and French. The artisan work was largely a British effort and the labouring was mostly eastern european. Only a very very stupid government would embark on an infrastructure project that requires skills the country doesn't have.

[Bypassblade]

 

Our skills base has not been eroded it's just that we have an education system that is not fit for purpose. It doesn't supply industry with people with the right skills. We have more lawyers, accountants and media studies graduates than you shake a stick at but you can't find a plumber or electrician for love nor money. The government spends billions on wasteful IT projects but does nothing to make sure the country has enough IT specialists.

 

Jim for once I agree with some of what you're saying, but I disagree that it's the solely fault of the education system we don't have skilled people now. The fault lies mainly with successive government's & the virtual abandonment of the old apprentice scheme. This meant in such as electricians, gas, plumbers, engineering machinists, the work force were allowed to get old &, there was no new blood coming in to train to replace them.

 

I think you could be round my age; apologies if not, &, when we left school there were more apprenticeships, than you could shake a stick at. As I said they were allowed to fall by the wayside, & industry bore the brunt of this lack of new skills. I will admit though our schooling is lamentable before you have a pop.

[MrSmith]

There's a difference between offering somebody a rubbish job and offering a decent training opportunity.

 

The other side to this of course is that British employers are rejecting British workers. How does picking up litter make somebody more employable?

 

Its gives them the incentive to find a job, it also gives them some work experience and creates a work ethic, it teaches them that you don’t get something for doing nothing, if a Polish person doesn’t work their life is significantly less comfortable than someone here on benefits, that gives them the desire to work. Offering something for doing nothing doesn’t give someone an incentive to take a low paid job.

Employers also need to be incentivised into training the unemployed, but the employer needs to know that the people they set on will work hard.

[chem1st]

Its gives them the incentive to find a job, it also gives them some work experience and creates a work ethic, it teaches them that you don’t get something for doing nothing, if a Polish person doesn’t work their life is significantly less comfortable than someone here on benefits, that gives them the desire to work. Offering something for doing nothing doesn’t give someone an incentive to take a low paid job.

Employers also need to be incentivised into training the unemployed, but the employer needs to know that the people they set on will work hard.

 

Polish nationals are EU citizens, they now have the same rights as us, the same entitlement to benefits.

[Mecky]

Actually I have, but you being very slow and selective about what you read have obviously missed it.

 

Well recap what you said then

[Cyclone]

That is fair enough. But the people employed to grow potatoes at high yield, would learn and then be able to rent their own land to do the same, the temporary extraction of rent from their labour, would thus be in payment for educating them in potato growing.

So it's okay in this scenario to rent extra land and hire people. Despite you having a big problem with the common system that exists now of hiring people.

 

 

 

To the contrary, everybody owns land. Everybody has a stake in society.

But you can't own your own land, there is no incentive to improve it by putting a house on it, someone else might decide to rent it!

 

 

 

No. You must pay only rent unto the people, persons like you trying to steal the common land from the people and reinstate land monopoly would not be allowed to buy land, the public would make a short term gain and a long term lost. The long term interests of the people are what matters. Hence the need for LVT in the first place,.

What's special about land that means it can't be bought and sold, it has a value attached to it after all.

[Cyclone]

George Osborne has some plans

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/mar/04/pension-funds-infrastructure-osborne

 

He's borrowing to do it

 

But you plan to do this on a massively larger scale, borrowing far more presumably and crippling the finances of the country for a generation. Good plan.