Mecky Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Skilled people coming here have good jobs and pay their taxes. They contribute to the economy. The problem is the benefits system is so generous that it doesn't pay to work at the lower end of the scale. Immigrants can come here, work 12 hours a day, sleep in shifts in one bed, have little expenditure and still have money to send money home to support families elsewhere. That is why they come. Brits have much higher expectations and politicians have devised a system that unconditionally hands them all their basic needs and plenty more besides. Our skills base has not been eroded it's just that we have an education system that is not fit for purpose. It doesn't supply industry with people with the right skills. We have more lawyers, accountants and media studies graduates than you shake a stick at but you can't find a plumber or electrician for love nor money. The government spends billions on wasteful IT projects but does nothing to make sure the country has enough IT specialists. The Olympics was largely engineered by Americans, Germans and French. The artisan work was largely a British effort and the labouring was mostly eastern european. Only a very very stupid government would embark on an infrastructure project that requires skills the country doesn't have. Have to disagree, a few years back there was a plumber shortage so people retrained in large number and saturated the market, the same goes for electricians and IT workers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 In addition to competing with highly mechanized 3PL and state subsidized industry (Royal Mail). I would need permission to ride the highways, No you don't, nobody is denied the right to take a push bike on the road. You could be a walking or skateboarding courier as well if you wish without permission. land for storage (of stuff to be delivered Storage? Pick it up from client, drop it off at client , of bicycle),You have somewhere to live, right? So you have somewhere to store a bike. But if you really want, chain it to a lamp post. I would need land for parcels to be picked up and dropped off No you wouldn't, meet on public land or on land that the client uses. (that land may be held by others - and eat into my profits by lowering their ability to pay four couriers.) Doesn't matter who owns it, so long as you're getting business. I would also be competing with the benefit system. You would? Why do they deliver parcels? I would also be increasing the land values of the area I offered my service to by improving the local economy, thus increasing the cost of living for myself (as I don't own land). I suspect that your services won't be that revolutionary, but hey, why not work in a location separate from where you live, thereby not increasing your cost of living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 No you don't, nobody is denied the right to take a push bike on the road. You could be a walking or skateboarding courier as well if you wish without permission. Storage? Pick it up from client, drop it off at clientYou have somewhere to live, right? So you have somewhere to store a bike. But if you really want, chain it to a lamp post. No you wouldn't, meet on public land or on land that the client uses. Doesn't matter who owns it, so long as you're getting business. You would? Why do they deliver parcels? I suspect that your services won't be that revolutionary, but hey, why not work in a location separate from where you live, thereby not increasing your cost of living. Rather than giving my usual reply. What do you need delivering by bicycle courier, how much will you pay? What is the distance to be covered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecut Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Where is this money to come from?From the £4,083,000,000 saved making prisoners and false asylum seekers/bogus refugees/illegal immigrants work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecut Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Skilled people coming here have good jobs and pay their taxes. . So their country taught them the skills that are denied to our young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecut Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Immigrants can come here, work 12 hours a day, sleep in shifts in one bed, have little expenditure and still have money to send money home to support families elsewhere. So they come here, live in poor conditions and send most of the money out of the country which was earned at the cost of our untrained. And you think that makes economic sense to pay to keep our young untrained and on the dole whilst these foreigners come and take their jobs and send most of the money out of the country? Seems like a brilliant lose lose situation you're in favour here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 So their country taught them the skills that are denied to our young. Exactly, we have an education system that churns out plenty of potential employees as long as your business requires low skills, little literacy and a bad attitude to work. If they are the sort of people you need then Britain, especially Sheffield, is the place for your business. That should be Sheffield's new message to the international business community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 So they come here, live in poor conditions and send most of the money out of the country which was earned at the cost of our untrained. And you think that makes economic sense to pay to keep our young untrained and on the dole whilst these foreigners come and take their jobs and send most of the money out of the country? Seems like a brilliant lose lose situation you're in favour here I didn't say it makes sense. I said that's what is happening. As I have said before we have an ideological education system that does not allow anyone to feel inferior just because they are thick. It makes sure everyone is equally thick and thereby unemployable. Consequently, we have to import people to do the jobs that are available. Of course the people who can afford a private education do very well because social mobility through education has been stopped. As far as I can tell all of that was Labour policy for 13 years and continues to be so in Sheffield. If there's one thing SCC is good at it is engineering lose lose situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecut Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Exactly, we have an education system that churns out plenty of potential employees as long as your business requires low skills, little literacy and a bad attitude to work. If they are the sort of people you need then Britain, especially Sheffield, is the place for your business. That should be Sheffield's new message to the international business community. Most Britsh children leaving school in the past left without any qualifications whatsoever yet we still produced some of the most skilled craftsmen/engineers in the world most of them turning out world class products in antiquated factorys on antiquated machinery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Have to disagree, a few years back there was a plumber shortage so people retrained in large number and saturated the market, the same goes for electricians and IT workers There are still plenty of shortages in IT, engineering, sciences and geology. No shortage of lawyers, accountants, estate agents, bankers, politicians, trade unionists and other assorted parasites though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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