WeX Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Brilliant response, suppose you'll need a lie down now You asked me two questions and I answered them both. Its through no fault of my own that you are unhappy with my answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I am self employed. I don't get paid holidays, sick pay, or any of the other benefits you get. I just get to pay for them. I get paid what I am worth to an employer and I live within that income. That income has declined recently. I am subject to a competitive market. I can't strike and I am not fighting a bitter class war. No? Why are you so bitter about what Labour do and try to influence public opinion against them then? BTW, as a matter of interest, what is the name of your business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_W Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Bad workers Bad bosses Benefit fraud Tax evasion Honest politicians errrmmmm maybe not ! Hey diddle diddle were all on the fiddle ...... that's how you make money in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Oh look, there's a surprise. YET ANOTHER patient has starved to death in a NHS hospital. http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/my-mum-died-after-10-days-without-any-food-claims-sheffield-woman-1-4570449 Will the unions be up in arms about the abject standard of care tax payers receive at the hands of their members? I am guessing no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 No? Why are you so bitter about what Labour do and try to influence public opinion against them then? It's my choice. But, it's not my choice to pay ever increasing taxes to fund ever declining public services which are the mainstay of Labour's agenda and funding from public sector unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoatwobbler Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/cameron-brings-back-slavery-2012052228067 PRIME Minister David Cameron has announced business-friendly changes to UK employment laws including the reintroduction of slavery. The move follows lobbying by business leaders who are frustrated with the red tape that stops them treating human beings like disposable machine parts. Cameron said: “I’ve listened to the wealth creators of this country. And they tell me that a workforce that ends its days in pensioned retirement, rather than a shallow grave in one corner of a Tesco car park, can’t compete on the international stage. “Being business-friendly isn’t just about ignoring massive tax avoidance and asset-stripping the nation. It also means selling the freedom of every man, woman and child in the country for an insultingly low price.” From Monday all UK residents and their dependents become the legal property of their employer. Orphans, the unemployed and pensioners will be auctioned off on eBay with a Buy It Now price of £2.99. Tom Booker, chairman of the Confederation of British Industry, said: “You can hardly call this business-friendly, when the law still insists we feed our own slaves. Why can’t they gnaw their own malformed limbs for sustenance? “That’s it, we’re all moving to Luxembourg.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 It's my choice. But, it's not my choice to pay ever increasing taxes to fund ever declining public services which are the mainstay of Labour's agenda and funding from public sector unions. So you admit fighting a class war then having just said you aren't! You haven't told us the name of your company or the nature of your work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Jim Graham I'll ask for you by name, I asked you in post 41 how you'd arrived at the statement that public sector public sector "has become a haven for the idle and the incompetent" I asked you to explain your statement and asking if you had 1st hand knowledge of working for them, reading all your posts since that give you I may say the classic air of the typical Tory. I'm a public sector worker &, I've worked bloody hard all my life. Before the public sector I had 18 years as a fully skilled machine setter operators in 2 engineering firms, and prior to that worked as a collier underground. You know a miner (I left in 79), who your beloved Maggie tried to kill through starvation, and ridicule. she may have had their jobs, but she never broke their spirits. I'd sooner know 1 miner than 20 of you small minded kind, trust me. You do nothing but slag unions as I said to you the other day they have done good, they have done bad, but remember if not for the unions you'd have no holidays, no decent pay, no minimum wages (and for lots that's been a godsend), no working conditions in factories or offices or where ever you go to work, no Health & Safety at work. Truly you don't think these things were obtained by goodwill of the management, no it was a bloody hard fight by hard working people & the unions that supported them. I suppose that you'd like to return to the days of seeing the working class tugging their forelocks and such, get real boy it does not happen. I notice that you signature says "there is low life in high places", yes, there is it's called the bloody Conservative government. And I'll expand on my hatred of Thatcher for you when she pops her cloggs If I'm still here, I'm having a big bloody party to celebrate. Trust me it'll be one of thousands all around the country, sorry people like you blame the unions for all the troubles in the country, but are more than happy to reap the rewards of what they won & fought for, to help the working people in future generations. Once again this country is being raped & pillaged by a totally useless Tory government, and their fat cat friends are getting richer, and people such as you are applauding getting rid of staff & putting them out of work. Give me a brick wall as I'm off to bang my head, I will NEVER understand the minds or ramblings of someone of your blatantly biased opinions of the working people who you seem to hold in such disdain. WOW you certainly carry a lot of hatred round with you. Instead of relying on others to provide you with employment and then ranting about your conditions you should have put some effort into working for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Because people on this board see most of the debates as Labour vs Tory, rather than the debate itself, we miss opportunities to debate and agree on consensus. Its sad really. Neither of these parties have particularly helped this city or the working class, but yet we descend back into those political streams. Its such a pity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 WOW you certainly carry a lot of hatred round with you. Instead of relying on others to provide you with employment and then ranting about your conditions you should have put some effort into working for yourself. Mr Smith, his contribution is Typical of a man trapped in a historical timewarp, He has heard the mantra that often he believes it. I too was a miner, I was a flying picket, I fought for and then gave up a fight once I realised the truth of socialism, bent power hungry Union Barons, workshy overpaid employees, cowardly managers. I caught the union reps fiddling the flying pickets expenses at Manvers, (they destroyed the evidence by burning down the NUM office.) Three years production sat on the top (it looked like the Andes) that no one wanted to buy. I carry hate, hate of those really responsible for the loss of british industry and british jobs, the unions and their mouthpieces the LABOUR party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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