MrSmith Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Could they? I doubt that that's always the case. It's a hypothetical argument obviously, it could be broadband though to use a recent example. If BT weren't obliged to eventually upgrade every telephone exchange there would probably be places where the economics to do it don't exist. It would probably still happen eventually, as the technology gets cheaper, but that's not consolation if you're stuck without it for a decade. Of course it's possible to allow the free market to exist whilst imposing licensing conditions on the companies that take part, which could include a condition that such villages must get coverage. But that just leads to the people that are forced through price to live in the densely populated areas, funding the services of those whom can afford to live in the less densely populated areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Just watching Great Ormond Street on BBC. Globally excellent. The best paediatric care going. Saving children's lives. Our NHS. Just reading the report on Stafford. Killed dozens, our NHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 water electricity railways buses banks All in the private sector. All underperforming. You have changed the subject, you inferred you would give examples of where the govenment has had to bail out privatised institutions. BUT, while you at it, I fondly remember the glorious days of British Rail, (need I go on?) Buses that were subsidised disgracefully, water and electricity services that received zero investment. As regards Banks you are right, they did need bailing out. BUT only because Blair and Brown and the rest milionaires on the current LABOUR front bench turned them into casinoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMoon Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 But it's not the working man who will be affected. Just those who turn up and do nowt,or a bad job. 1st in line the unholy trinity of Cameron, Clegg and Osbourne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 But that just leads to the people that are forced through price to live in the densely populated areas, funding the services of those whom can afford to live in the less densely populated areas. You realise that we need people to live in the less densely populated areas... Unless you think farms are going to farm themselves... Public services need to either be run by the state or heavily regulated by the state, the nature of them is that we expect universal availability and the nature of private companies is not to provide a service, but to provide a service wherever it will make them a profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 :huh:Nonsense as usual. Why is what I said nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 You have changed the subject, you inferred you would give examples of where the govenment has had to bail out privatised institutions. No he didn't, the subject was changed by someone else because they were losing the argument and tried to switch tact. He is just reponding to the change of tact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Really? In a privatised health care system do you really think you will get much more choice? The NHS functions as an all services under one roof organisation. It needs that scale to deliver the vast range of services. In a private system after a few years a natural monopoly will build. You'll effectively be left with a choice of a small handful of very big companies to choose from. And you will have to pay for it. And it has not been proven in other countries that the service is any better. Likewise for trains. You want to get a train from Sheffield to anywhere you can't say you have a vast amount of choice over provider. Likewise utilities. The choice gets smaller as providers are swallowed up by bigger competitors. You think you have choice. You have very little. It's a neat con really. I'd agree the buses and the trains are a mess, but there is a fair few choices for gas and electric suppliers. Since privatisation, there have been quite a few new power stations built. It's not all bad. Do you really think there would be that level of investment in a state run utility company in this country ? Were the bills mega cheap prior to privatisation ? I was only a nipper but I'd guess they were about the same. Do you think bills would be cheap now ? Would you be happy that your taxes would subsidise sky high wholesale gas and electric prices to save a few quid on a gas bill? I'd rather have hospitals, and to a certain extent a decent state run railway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickiethecat Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I wonder if the reason why so many people on this thread are angry about these proposals is self-interest? As has already been stated, genuine hard working people have nothing to fear, it's the idlers and skivers that are at risk. Little wonder that people who spend the working day making thousands of posts on internet forums when they should be working are up in arms. You know who you are. ;);) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Jay Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I wonder if the reason why so many people on this thread are angry about these proposals is self-interest? As has already been stated, genuine hard working people have nothing to fear, it's the idlers and skivers that are at risk. Little wonder that people who spend the working day making thousands of posts on internet forums when they should be working are up in arms. You know who you are. ;);) "No fault dismissal" its whats being proposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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