Mecky Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I wonder if the reason why so many people on this thread are angry about these proposals is self-interest? As has already been stated, genuine hard working people have nothing to fear, it's the idlers and skivers that are at risk. Little wonder that people who spend the working day making thousands of posts on internet forums when they should be working are up in arms. You know who you are. ;);) You mean yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 You have changed the subject, you inferred you would give examples of where the govenment has had to bail out privatised institutions. BUT, while you at it, I fondly remember the glorious days of British Rail, (need I go on?) Buses that were subsidised disgracefully, water and electricity services that received zero investment. As regards Banks you are right, they did need bailing out. BUT only because Blair and Brown and the rest milionaires on the current LABOUR front bench turned them into casinoes. Do you think if they Tories were in power that they would have stood up to the City of London? Like they are doing now???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I'd agree the buses and the trains are a mess, but there is a fair few choices for gas and electric suppliers. Since privatisation, there have been quite a few new power stations built. It's not all bad. Do you really think there would be that level of investment in a state run utility company in this country ? Were the bills mega cheap prior to privatisation ? I was only a nipper but I'd guess they were about the same. Do you think bills would be cheap now ? Would you be happy that your taxes would subsidise sky high wholesale gas and electric prices to save a few quid on a gas bill? I'd rather have hospitals, and to a certain extent a decent state run railway. I don't think the electricity industry as it stands now is fit for purpose going forward. Prices are rising again after government intervention was required to bring them down. Prices are rising because decisions made in the 90s have left us at the mercy of wholesale gas markets. The big generators are refusing to comply with government energy strategy by pulling out of construction projects. Future energy consumption needs will be harder to meet from domestic sources. The record on renewables is appalling. It's a mess and we are going to end up paying the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Just reading the report on Stafford. Killed dozens, our NHS. What happened was exceptional and appalling. But not a reason to disband the service. Like I said it's more a reason to look for ways to fix and improve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Jay Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 What happened was exceptional and appalling. But not a reason to disband the service. Like I said it's more a reason to look for ways to fix and improve it. Here here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 What happened was exceptional and appalling. But not a reason to disband the service. Like I said it's more a reason to look for ways to fix and improve it. Why would they want to do that if they can understaff and underfund the NHS deliberately to try and build a case for privatising it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 No he didn't, the subject was changed by someone else because they were losing the argument and tried to switch tact. He is just reponding to the change of tact. I am sure you understand the above paragraph, I dont want to appear pedantic but what do you mean by "change tact" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Jay Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I am sure you understand the above paragraph, I dont want to appear pedantic but what do you mean by "change tact" I think mecky meant "change tack", to start using a different method for dealing with a situation, especially in the way that you communicate. http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/change+tack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Do you think if they Tories were in power that they would have stood up to the City of London? Like they are doing now???? Yes I do, the Conservatives have a long tradition of dealing with the city, even the Lib Dems have better qualified people than ever Labour was able to field. The city is, by its very nature, a predatory, ruthless money making machine, it has no conscience, little if any sense of social responsibility. It is essential therefore that it is managed by elected politicians prepared to enforce laws that make up for those missing ingredients. Tories and Whigs did this pretty successfully for over 400 years. Socialism, a product of the 20th century as far as this country is concerned, has never had a mechanism for dealing with the city. Socialists, when in power have always mismanaged the economy leaving the country skint when leaving power on every occassion from Ramsey Macdonald to Gordon Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 What happened was exceptional and appalling. But not a reason to disband the service. Like I said it's more a reason to look for ways to fix and improve it. Exceptional? hundreds if not thousands have died as a result of hospital acquired disease. The NHS pays out millions in competency claims. The hospital you use a shining example relies on the millions it raises through charity to operate in the excellent way it clearly does. If the NHS was a parrot it would be a Norwegian Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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