skinz Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 All the usual innarticulate, obnoxious right wing droolers applauding anything they think will drive society back towards the inequalities of the Victorian era. Small companies are in the mess they are in because of the economic chaos brought about by the wreckless actions of those with their hands on the controls of global finances. It is grimly ironic to see these dim wit cheer-leaders on Sheffield Forum - who will never share even a small part of the wealth or influence of these 'masters of the universe' - egging them on in their latest assault on the general population, this time in the form of 'labour reforms.' Delusions of grandeur...they simply can't help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Delusions of grandeur...they simply can't help it. Yes, it is amazing how many highly successful members of the Sheffield business community spend hours on here every day. All the serious 'go-getters' I've ever met have had other things to do, and they weren't all raving right wing bigots either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Hospitals used to have teams of directly employed cleaners who knew every nook and cranny in a ward. Who sometimes stayed attached to a single ward for years on end and were a vital part of the ward team. About 20-25 years ago I spent enough time in enough hospitals to see this in action. Now it's usually contracted out to some extent depending on the hospital and the quality and continuity has deteriorated. Wards aren't cleaned properly but hey that's ok if somebody makes a profit out of the service. Who is responsible for giving the contract to the cleaners, who pays them and allows them to do substandard cleaning? Who is responsable for making sure they do a good job for the money they are paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 All the usual innarticulate, obnoxious right wing droolers applauding anything they think will drive society back towards the inequalities of the Victorian era. Small companies are in the mess they are in because of the economic chaos brought about by the wreckless actions of those with their hands on the controls of global finances. It is grimly ironic to see these dim wit cheer-leaders on Sheffield Forum - who will never share even a small part of the wealth or influence of these 'masters of the universe' - egging them on in their latest assault on the general population, this time in the form of 'labour reforms.' Wow, that's a compelling argument for socialism if ever I read one. Are you the ghost of michael foot ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Who is responsible for giving the contract to the cleaners, who pays them and allows them to do substandard cleaning? Who is responsable for making sure they do a good job for the money they are paid. This is the thing. It used to be dedicated established teams who answered to the ward sisters and senior domestic staff. Now there is no telling who could be cleaning the wards. Somebody from an agency just on that ward for a day or two maybe never to work there again. You see the problem? Temporary staff supplied on an ad-hoc basis with no real attachment to a particular group of staff, ward or even hospital are not going to do as good a job as dedicated experienced teams who know every nook and cranny of a ward or unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 This is the thing. It used to be dedicated established teams who answered to the ward sisters and senior domestic staff. Now there is no telling who could be cleaning the wards. Somebody from an agency just on that ward for a day or two maybe never to work there again. You see the problem? Temporary staff supplied on an ad-hoc basis with no real attachment to a particular group of staff, ward or even hospital are not going to do as good a job as dedicated experienced teams who know every nook and cranny of a ward or unit. Yes I know all that but who is responsible for giving the contract to the cleaners, who pays them and allows them to do substandard cleaning? Who is responsable for making sure they do a good job for the money they are paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 By de-regulating it in the eighties? The de regulation was a necessary and useful way in which to open up the markets. It allowed the use of electronic systems and set the scene for a major increase in the profits and effectively modernised the systems by whch the city operates. The Tory government retained rules which allowed the elected government to effectively ensure that city activity was conducted with regard to the interests of th wider community. Thatcher and Major sensibly and worked with the city throughout their time in power. Blair and Brown allowed the city to go mad and turned banks into casinoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 What happened was exceptional and appalling. But not a reason to disband the service. Like I said it's more a reason to look for ways to fix and improve it. Exceptional? You wish. Stafford have never been out of the headlines for killing people. Stafford has been a basket case for years. They've promised to fix and improve. Look what good that did. They even have their own Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stafford_Hospital_scandal Just type NHS Hospital Scandals into Google and you'll get 1,980,000 results ranging from starving patients, unclean wards, bodies dumped on the floor, killer doses of medication, blood clots, MRSA and unauthorised taking of body parts etc etc. Only yesterday we learned of a woman in the Northern General starving to death under the noses of hundreds of so called "caring" staff. The NHS is the third biggest killer after heart disease and cancer. And it is solely down to the people who work there. Frankly, they need a very thorough clear out. The legal bill for all their ****-ups is more than £15bn and they and the unions have the bare faced cheek to complain about cuts. Perhaps if they started doing their jobs properly more people might survive and they would have more to spend on patients instead of lawyers. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7922845/NHS-legal-claims-will-cost-15bn-it-has-been-warned..html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenia Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Yes I know all that but who is responsible for giving the contract to the cleaners, who pays them and allows them to do substandard cleaning? Who is responsable for making sure they do a good job for the money they are paid. NHS Management are responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Wow, that's a compelling argument for socialism if ever I read one. Are you the ghost of michael foot ? One very interesting argument though. What compels somebody with very little to defend the people who would like them to have even less? Answers on the head of a needle (more than enough room) from right wing trolls please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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