Jim Graham Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Stop trying to flip the question, a question that has nothing to do you, unless your alt is Xenia, which wouldn't surprise us ... we can soon find out. There you go. You dodged the question yet again. I think it reasonable that your assurance that Socialism has not failed would be backed up with evidence to support the statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Jay Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 There you go. You dodged the question yet again. I think it reasonable that your assurance that Socialism has not failed would be backed up with evidence to support the statement. The existence of social housing(granted, not enough), the welfare system, workers rights and things like this are, if you like, socialism in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 The way I see it is there has been, and still is, a tug of war going on in this country between socialism and free-market capitalism, neither has outright won yet, both sides seem pretty evenly matched, so the result is the mainly socialy left wing capitalist society that we live in. I don't think it's evenly matched at all. This country runs on capitalism and has done for thousands of years. Socialism's something for nothing creed is attractive and has had some success but only in the short term. In the long run Socialists always run out of other people's money. Socialism cannot and does not create wealth. Only Capitalism can do that and that is why the vast majority of the British people support it. Yes, it's had a bit of a knock recently, but that was due to greedy and clumsy Socialists trying to get more out of the system than was prudent. But, Capitalism will be back growing the economy again until Labour get back in and trash it all yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 You really do never tire of being wrong. The largest expansion of comprehensive schools resulted from a policy decision taken in 1965 by Anthony Crosland, Secretary of State for Education in the 1964-1970 Labour government, a fervent supporter of comprehensive education. This had been the party's policy for some time. The policy decision was implemented by Circular 10/65, an instruction to local education authorities to plan for conversion. In 1970 the Conservative Party re-entered government. Margaret Thatcher became Secretary of State for Education, and ended the compulsion on local authorities to convert. Except she didn't end them, "However, many local authorities were so far down the path that it would have been prohibitively expensive to attempt to reverse the process, more comprehensive schools were established under Mrs Thatcher than any other education secretary." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 There you go. You dodged the question yet again. I think it reasonable that your assurance that Socialism has not failed would be backed up with evidence to support the statement. Most modern economies are mixed economies with capitalist and socialist elements. No country in the world is purely capitalist and no country ever will be. Most countries sit somewhere in the middle of the Capitalism-Socialism spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 The existence of social housing(granted, not enough), the welfare system, workers rights and things like this are, if you like, socialism in action. As I stated in my other post these so called successes are little more than spending other people's money. Socialism can only be a success if that spending is sustainable. Clearly it isn't because every Labour administration has gone broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Most modern economies are mixed economies with capitalist and socialist elements. No country in the world is purely capitalist and no country ever will be. Most countries sit somewhere in the middle of the Capitalism-Socialism spectrum. The mixed element is the capitalists create the wealth and the socialists spend it. Where Gordon, best man for the job, Brown went wrong was spending more than was being created. Not only that but there is an ideology in Socialism that profit and wealth creation are very bad things. The trick they have never been able to pull off is creating the wealth they want to spend so they end up borrowing it. Witness SCCs £2.1bn of debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Except she didn't end them, "However, many local authorities were so far down the path that it would have been prohibitively expensive to attempt to reverse the process, more comprehensive schools were established under Mrs Thatcher than any other education secretary." Your assertion was: it was the Tories who did away with grammar schools and created the comprehensives, Thatcher actually. which is factually inaccurate. It's not often you're wrong but you're wrong again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syne Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I don't think call centre work would suit me due to me wearing a hearing aid, making "reasonable adjustments" would be quite expensive for the employer as for me to do call centre work, they'd have to buy a special "hearing aid compatible" headset, which you can only get from the RNID, and they ain't cheap. I could do something like data entry or a typing job though, something that involves being sat in front of a PC for a few hours, which I do all day in my own time anyway, but one day I want money for doing it You'll find rich that what you said is a very defeatist attitude. Many companies will hire you (esp big multis) and the cost of outfiting the job to your needs will be minimal and worth it if you are a good honest and dependable worker. why don't you have a word with a few sheffield based call centres, there are quite a few, plusnet springs to mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 The mixed element is the capitalists create the wealth and the socialists spend it. Where Gordon, best man for the job, Brown went wrong was spending more than was being created. Not only that but there is an ideology in Socialism that profit and wealth creation are very bad things. The trick they have never been able to pull off is creating the wealth they want to spend so they end up borrowing it. Witness SCCs £2.1bn of debt. Go too far in one direction we will have problems. Too far in the other direction problems too. It's about a balance and every country strives to achieve the balance that suits it best. Like I said most are somewhere in the centre of the spectrum. And that is reflected in the politics of the countries with the most advanced economies. Most major parties advocate an economy based on capitalist fundamentals with some socialist elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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