rollwithit Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 You suggest taxing cyclists without giving a reason why but are against collecting money from people who speed to pay for the investment needed to catch people speeding. If you think of the speeding fine as a tax rather than an actual fine then it's a tax that's pretty easy to avoid isn't it? Is it really that hard for you to comprehend that staying under the permissible speed limit will prevent you from being subjected to this "corrupt form of taxation"? Policing speeding has reduced child road fatalities. That's a small price to pay for having to stick to 77mph on the motorways to avoid fines. What relevance does taxing cyclists, as you initially suggested, have to the thread? I get sick of cars following off my bumper with their main beam on because they are anoyed with me doing the speed limit in the outside lane. Don't they realise the limit includes what everyone calls the fast lane? Surely such intimidation practices of us legal limit drivers by the so called 'faster, safer' drivers is unsafe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamadar Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 Wrong, they don't keep the money. That is irrelevant. The money is still raised and so is still an incentive. The whacking increase in fines is all about raising money, it is nothing to do with stopping speeding. You are wrong totally. If the number of points for speeding was increased it would do far more to deter speeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 So in other words you admit that you speed sometimes. How very hypocritical. How is it hypocritical to accept that I occasionally speed and if caught would expect an hefty fine, speeding isn’t the cause of accidents, speeding whilst not paying attention to the road ahead and speeding in the wrong road, traffic and weather conditions is and if you aren’t paying attention you are more likely to be caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xt500 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I get sick of cars following off my bumper with their main beam on because they are anoyed with me doing the speed limit in the outside lane. Don't they realise the limit includes what everyone calls the fast lane? Surely such intimidation practices of us legal limit drivers by the so called 'faster, safer' drivers is unsafe? Maybe you should bring your driving standards back up to scratch and have a read of the highway code. Start with the basics,lane discipline.Im sure you will find that it says to drive in the left lane UNLESS over taking.What im certain it does NOT say is block the lanes when you feel selfish enough to while judging others speed using an inacurate speedo and im sure poor judgement. Its drivers like you that are making the roads not only unpleasant but dam dangerous. Leave your bad attitude at home!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Ralge Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 The points system alone is more than adequate to deter speeding. The money aspect merely brings corruption into the system. Go on then, explain "corruption" - what are you claiming happens to the money? How much money is involved? Do you know? Who gets it? How is it divvied up? How does the aggregate sum in any year compare to other forms of Govt. "revenue"? Let's have some facts, please, rather than outrageous, unsupported claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xt500 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 thought we were talking about fines and taxation? im sure the AA dont get the fines you lot really will use ANYTHING to back up your nonsensical arguements No but they do profit from the course fees!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david12656 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Rather than increase the fines for speeding. Why not make cyclist and mobility scooter drivers pay their way? Tax them and bobs your uncle. More money for the gov. was going to reply but why bother just a waste of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Ralge Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Speeding fines increase along with other motoring fines - CLUES BELOW AS TO JUST HOW MUCH MONEY IS INVOLVED More bad news and another squeeze on the hapless or delinquent driver: First time speeders may no longer be allowed to get away without an insurance premium rise. Allowing myself a cut and paste from The Telegraph. "Similar increases will also be imposed for other driving offences such as using a hand-held mobile phone and not fastening a seat belt. On taking office, the Coalition promised to end what it called Labour’s “war on the motorist” with the previous Government having been accused of using drivers as a cash cow. Yet based on the latest available Government figures, the latest changes would net the Treasury an additional £33.5 million a year in motoring fines. Other changes, outlined in a Department for Transport consultation document, will see drivers who tailgate and cut up other road users being hit with an automatic three points on their licence and an on the spot £90 fine. Assuming that the level of motoring offences remains at around the same level as in 2010, the higher fines would see drivers contributing £100 million a year to the Treasury." Do the sums. To counter the normal, tabloid comments without any particularly factual basis. Is this a serious revenue stream for the Govt? (If/when the money comes back from the Treasury into local road safety projects, ask yourself how much that roundabout or junction re-configuration costs). Is this a seriously interesting way to collect the so-called stealth tax? Or an inefficient pain in the bum that gets a Govt no fans at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xt500 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 "the AA is the famous “motorists’ organisation” that is now profiting from punishing drivers – and making sure that the message of “speed kills” is kept in the headlines. Since the UK’s other legendary motoring organisation, the RAC, has also just been acquired for £1bn by private equity (the Carlyle Group), you can imagine there will more of this kind of activity in the UK and elsewhere. No chance of speed killing the profits." http://flashesandflames.com/2011/06/23/uk-motorists-speed-up-the-cash/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamadar Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 Go on then, explain "corruption" - what are you claiming happens to the money? How much money is involved? Do you know? Who gets it? How is it divvied up? How does the aggregate sum in any year compare to other forms of Govt. "revenue"? Let's have some facts, please, rather than outrageous, unsupported claims. Any system that allows money to be collected where there is a better penalty available that is more effective is corrupt by definition. That is the only important factor. The points system could be used to greater effect to prevent speeding, but the authorities choose to greatly up fines to collect money. Prevention thus is not the issue here, collecting more money is. That is corrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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