Jag82 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 So a 30 year old couple with 8 kids would get £400 a week and no housing benefit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 What if all benefit payments ended. Completely. And people hit back against the government and the rich and rioted and actually attempted to bring about real change in society in stead of accepting 70£ or 200£ or whatever it is a week as 'cop out and be quiet' payment whilst smoking copious amounts of weed and posting on Sheffield forum. Giving everyone enough to survive on would kill desire to do anything so less people would work and less tax revenue would be collected so paying people enough to survive on wouldn't be affordable anymore. Some full time workers earn close to 200£ a week so in order to attract these workers you'd have to increase lower wages accordingly which would make high wages even higher, therefore prices would rise and 200£ would be the new 70£. The poor will never be better off under this kind of handout system as the more they get, the more will be squeezed out of them. With monetary reform you also need land reform. In the form of LVT. If owned all the land, and you owned all the money, how much would I charge you for the first night's rent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddybare Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 With monetary reform you also need land reform. In the form of LVT. If owned all the land, and you owned all the money, how much would I charge you for the first night's rent? Less than the going rate I'd hope. In return I'd happily sit through your land monopoly slide shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 So a 30 year old couple with 8 kids would get £400 a week and no housing benefit? You're forgetting the £30/wk child benefit so add on an extra £240/wk. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Graham Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 What if all benefit payments ended. Completely. And people hit back against the government and the rich and rioted and actually attempted to bring about real change in society in stead of accepting 70£ or 200£ or whatever it is a week as 'cop out and be quiet' payment whilst smoking copious amounts of weed and posting on Sheffield forum. Giving everyone enough to survive on would kill desire to do anything so less people would work and less tax revenue would be collected so paying people enough to survive on wouldn't be affordable anymore. Some full time workers earn close to 200£ a week so in order to attract these workers you'd have to increase lower wages accordingly which would make high wages even higher, therefore prices would rise and 200£ would be the new 70£. The poor will never be better off under this kind of handout system as the more they get, the more will be squeezed out of them. If this is the only benefit people get a lot of those on housing benefit and other top ups will be worse off so overall inflation may not be affected that much. But, the point about losing incentive to do £200 a week jobs doesn't make sense because that will be on top of the £200 benefit. This system seems to do away with the problem of people being better off on benefits. On the face of it it seems like a good idea. The point about folks on high incomes getting it when they don't need it could be sorted by raising taxes for higher earners. Anything that gets rid of the army of bureauprats mismanaging an unbelievably expensive system so complicated even they can't understand it can only be a good thing. I think the unions might have something to say about it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag82 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 You're forgetting the £30/wk child benefit so add on an extra £240/wk. jb I thought the idea was to quash the other benefits ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardoor Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 Anything that gets rid of the army of bureauprats mismanaging an unbelievably expensive system so complicated even they can't understand it can only be a good thing. I think the unions might have something to say about it though. Actually CI is something the far right - UKIP and the far left - Green Party are both very supportive of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardoor Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 I thought the idea was to quash the other benefits ? The figure suggested is £200 then an extra £30 a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag82 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Actually CI is something the far right - UKIP and the far left - Green Party are both very supportive of. If everyone except the Establishment neoliberal capitalist laissez faire war mongering crooks (Lib/Lab/Con) support it then it probably has some merit and will therefore not see the light of day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Eh? Whats the DM got to do with it? Anything that Rich doesn't understand or agree with is somehow linked with Daily Mail readers in his head, it doesn't matter what the issue is or which political position would be more likely to want it, it's all Daily Mail to Rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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