dilwise Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 My understanding is that she did not agree with suicide bombings but merely understood the motivation behind their actions. Do we just sack people we do not agree with. Where is freedom of speech here? A person does not have to agree with something to understand or try to understand another persons actions. I do not think suicide bombings have any point at all but Ms Tonge's point is, I think, that they will continue until somebody sorts out the Israeli's attitude to the West Bank. I think everybody will agree with the fact that the Palestinians have a genuine grievance against the Israeli government and that the Israelis do not seem interested in giving up any territory they have gained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I don't think she should have been sacked. She said she could understand why people may become suicide bombers - surely understanding WHY they do it is a pre-requisit to finding a solution? As the grafitee in Northen Ireland says..."If you can see a solution, you don't understand the problem" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidla Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Has she been sacked? That's ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t020 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Originally posted by dilwise Do we just sack people we do not agree with. Where is freedom of speech here? Just ask Kilroy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 The difference here is that whilst Kilroy has repeatedly used crashing generalisations in his print journalism to denigrate many nations and races, Tonge made a single stupid error of judgement in implicity condoning terrorism. But Tonge is pursuing public office, not presenting some cack TV show - I notice Kilroy gave up his political career. I have revised my opinion of Kilroy, not only is he an idiot and a fool but his blinkered xenophobia and bordering on the paranoid mistrust of 'foreigners' shows that he is also a small minded bigot. Tonge has not shown any tendency to become a suicide bomber, but in recognising that desparation leads people to extreme acts, she has committed a political gaffe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidla Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Originally posted by Phanerothyme Tonge has not shown any tendency to become a suicide bomber, but in recognising that desparation leads people to extreme acts, she has committed a political gaffe. I don't think it was a gaffe at all. As you quite rightly say, desparation leads people to commit extreme acts. I can't imagine I would even be in that situation myself, but I can sympathise with people who are. I can't understand why she's said anything wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Miguel Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 ... er, does my bomb look big in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 She simply said something that is quite rightly utterly unacceptable within a multi-cultural political party. Gaffe or not - she had to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidla Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Originally posted by Tony She simply said something that is quite rightly utterly unacceptable within a multi-cultural political party. Gaffe or not - she had to go. Why is it unacceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 If it's unacceptable to say you can see someone elses point of view, we'll never go anywhere. Once you understand why someone does somthing, you can start to possibly change things. Do you honestly believe suicide bombers do it just because they're born evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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