I1L2T3 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 You've gleaned that fact from what ? A ward full of nurses allowed someone to die of thirst ? That doesn't happen in a shift or because of cuts, it happens because the staff in question couldn't give toss and you've just given them a free pass "ooh it's the cuts why we failed this patient over an extended period of time, nowt to do with the fact we're incompetent." Jim does bang this drum a bit too much but by removing all responsibilty by blaming cuts you're worse. And what sort of sicko wants to gain political milage out if thus tradegy anyway ? Loads sadly. You're right this shouldn't be a political football. But the story has to be seen for what it is. I don't think it's fair to say that the nurses or doctors wanted or expected this patient to die. I have a medical background and what is described in the story is a very complex condition with neurological involvement, perhaps undelying behavioural issues as a result, and a rare (I never saw it in years of working in hospitals) reliance on hormonal treatment for fluid regulation. That said it is crystal clear that this poor man was not cared for properly. He was neglected. The staff (doctors and nurses) were negligent in terms of their understanding of his illness. And the behaviour of the nurse after the poor lad died is truly astounding. Like I said people should be up in front of the authorities for what happened. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 You're right this shouldn't be a political football. But the story has to be seen for what it is. I don't think it's fair to say that the nurses or doctors wanted or expected this patient to die. I have a medical background and what is described in the story is a very complex condition with neurological involvement, perhaps undelying behavioural issues as a result, and a rare (I never saw it in years of working in hospitals) reliance on hormonal treatment for fluid regulation. That said it is crystal clear that this poor man was not cared for properly. He was neglected. The staff (doctors and nurses) were negligent in terms of their understanding of his illness. And the behaviour of the nurse after the poor lad died is truly astounding. Like I said people should be up in front of the authorities for what happened. RIP Good post. Cuts are bound to have an effect in certain circumstances but it can't be used as stock answer like in this case when it seems an entire department were either clueless or careless. I don't think for second any of them wanted a death to occur but seemed to be far more concerned with covering their arses when it all went wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddybare Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Nah - was happening many years before they came in. Travesty. Can't leave relatives alone in the "care" of the nhs. Nothing to do with funding IMO. Give the nhs more money and they'll invest it in iPads for nurses or more admin staff/managers. More to do with the staffing, where they get the staff from, what type of people work in healthcare and the fact that healthcare/medicine is all about profit and money nowadays. Suing them won't change a thing. Ps. Why is the picture of a 10 year old when the guy was 22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Still cannot resist a pop can you Jim, the NHS set up is/was the envy of the world; Since its launch in 1948, the NHS has grown to become the world’s largest publicly funded health service. It is also one of the most efficient, most egalitarian and most comprehensive. The NHS was born out of a long-held ideal that good healthcare should be available to all, regardless of wealth. Nye Bevan must be spinning at how it has been allowed to become like this, I would sooner go to an NHS hospital than pay thousands like in some countries. Ooh you know one like America, where they all think we're quaint & know each other. Eleven years ago I contracted cancer of the larynx at about the same time as my cousin Ernie got cancer of the colon in Sheffield. Ernie my best friend and cousin died in 2003. I'm still here. Funny that isn't it? Between Medicare and my company sponsored health scheme it cost me virtually nothing. Ernie's widow blamed the NHS for not taking notice of his worsening condition until it was too late to do anything about it. I'm sure the medical staff who took care of him were as dedicated and professional as mine, but those who refused primary investigation were not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Gobby Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I can't help but think, did his family not bother to give him a drink when visiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I can't help but think, did his family not bother to give him a drink when visiting. Possibly, but could they give him enough twice a day ? His condition may have prohibited it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Is it not the case through PFI certain wards/rooms attract rent - so putting patients on inferior wards (and temporarily closing specialised wards - and transferring their staff to the inferior wards) saves money for the insitute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 What's an 'inferior ward' Chem1st? Is it a ward where the paint is peeling off the walls? Is it a ward where the doctors/nurses are unqualified or incompetent? Are you suggesting that the NHS has a two-tier qualification service? - Are you suggesting that the staff on those wards with paying patients are qualified whereas those dealing with the state-funded 'hoi-polloi' don't know their arses from their elbows? If you are suggesting that, you can (perhaps) expect a mouthful from those who work on the NHS wards. (If you were telling the forum that I [for instance], as a worker on an NHS ward was incompetent, I might well be annoyed enough to seek redress.) I look forward to reading your justification of your comments about 'inferior' wards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamatron Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Such a sad story. He obviously had a very complex condition that none of the staff fully understood. It's one of those extreme cases where the staff should lose their right to continue to practice, at the very least. yeah it is difficult for a nurse to understand that the human body needs water to survive...particularly when they keep the temperature at 29 degrees:huh: The temperature of the wards I have been on is enough to make me ill without the terrible food. Stop making nurses do degrees and make them gain practical experience and bedside manner instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cressida Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 You're right this shouldn't be a political football. But the story has to be seen for what it is. I don't think it's fair to say that the nurses or doctors wanted or expected this patient to die. I have a medical background and what is described in the story is a very complex condition with neurological involvement, perhaps undelying behavioural issues as a result, and a rare (I never saw it in years of working in hospitals) reliance on hormonal treatment for fluid regulation. That said it is crystal clear that this poor man was not cared for properly. He was neglected. The staff (doctors and nurses) were negligent in terms of their understanding of his illness. And the behaviour of the nurse after the poor lad died is truly astounding. Like I said people should be up in front of the authorities for what happened. RIP R.I.P. too The tragedy for me is that said people will probably not be up in front of the authorities and that 'weakness' may mean the same people failing in their obligations again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.