mj.scuba Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Unelected Eurocrats do not decide things in the EU, other than in the imagination of Mail and Sun readers. The power is in the hands of governments except in the Commission where agenda-setting powers are important. The governments of France and Germany have always been at the heart of EU development. Without their will things don't get done. The members of the Parliament and Councils are all elected directly by the electorate or as MPs and have far more power than some eurocrat in Brussels deciding on the weight of paper clips. Or are you admitting Nigel Farage is a waste of time? Don't make us laugh. Can you tell me, did Italy vote for their current government, or was it installed by the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Over time EFTA has had ten members. Six have left and joined the EU. Today it has four members, fewer than the seven it started with. The EU has 27 members with others aspiring to join. History is not on EFTA's side. True; but that's not an answer to the question as posed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Don't make us laugh. Can you tell me, did Italy vote for their current government, or was it installed by the EU? Even more so re Greece! No politicians there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Unelected Eurocrats do not decide things in the EU, other than in the imagination of Mail and Sun readers. The power is in the hands of governments** except in the Commission where agenda-setting powers are important. The governments** of France and Germany have always been at the heart of EU development. Without their will things don't get done. ** Yet Germany is intent upon suborning and eventually subsuming those selfsame governments into the EU. So not as much democracy as you fondly believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Total Chaos Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I thought the EU was thought up by France (mainly) for there hatred against the US.EU was formed to keep the US from "taking" over if you like,Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I thought the EU was thought up by France (mainly) for there hatred against the US.EU was formed to keep the US from "taking" over if you like,Europe. Maybe so; but now the EU is intent upon taking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I thought the EU was thought up by France (mainly) for there hatred against the US.EU was formed to keep the US from "taking" over if you like,Europe.Not in the least. If anything, it was thought up (with some help from the US via the remnants of the Marshall plan) to try and prevent a 3rd total war in Europe (expectedly between France and Germany again) and as an "Economic NATO" buffer against Russia's political activism throughout western Europe post-WWII. Learn a bit about this man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Total Chaos Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Not in the least. If anything, it was thought up (with some help from the US via the remnants of the Marshall plan) to try and prevent a 3rd total war in Europe (expectedly between France and Germany again) and as an "Economic NATO" buffer against Russia's political activism throughout western Europe post-WWII. Learn a bit about this man But the US still have there fingers in the pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I thought the EU was thought up by France (mainly) for there hatred against the US.EU was formed to keep the US from "taking" over if you like,Europe.'No'But the US still have there fingers in the pie. You've lost me. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Total Chaos Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Not in the least. But France wanted to limit supranational power,so it would not include the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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