MrSmith Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 This keeps coming up on the other threads about an apparent problem caused by an aging population. ENGLAND AND WALES All ages -- 54,072,000 people Age 0 -------- 674,500 1-4 ---- 2,527,600 5-9 ---- 3,035,800 10-14 -- 3,277,700 15-19 -- 3,558,100 20-24 -- 3,661,300 25-29 -- 3,525,900 30-34 -- 3,473,000 35-39 -- 4,031,000 40-44 -- 4,177,600 45-49 -- 3,744,600 50-54 -- 3,281,800 55-59 -- 3,320,800 60-64 -- 3,092,100 65-69 -- 2,381,900 70-74 -- 2,086,700 75-79 -- 1,751,600 80-84 -- 1,297,900 85-89 -- - 787,200 90+ -- --- 384,900 In 2007 8,690,900 people of pension age 32,308,100 of working age 20 – 64 8,000,000 of this group economically inactive In 2008, 30,000,000 people are in work so some people above 64 and some below 20 are in work. 3.5 work for every person in retirement. 1.8 people work for every pensioner and economically inactive person. Looking at the figures I don’t see where this problem is, there are plenty of economically inactive people that can take up the slack as more people move into retirement, increasing pension age to 69 takes 2 to 3 million people out of retirement, getting some of the 8 million people that are inactive into employment and getting 16 years old that don’t want further education in to work would appear to solve any problem cause by us living longer. I can’t see how increasing the population will solve anything, all it will do it increase the amount of people that are dependent on the workers. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/feb/26/population-ethnic-race-age-statistic http://news.sky.com/story/589496/record-number-of-people-are-in-work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrangaroo Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Your post ended abruptly, are you ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrangaroo Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Phew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 The problem isn't immediately apparent, but cast yourself forward 30 /40 years. Get your teeth around this big boy..read it and weep http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/key-issues-for-the-new-parliament/value-for-money-in-public-services/the-ageing-population/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted July 7, 2012 Author Share Posted July 7, 2012 The problem isn't immediately apparent, but cast yourself forward 30 /40 years. Get your teeth around this big boy..read it and weep http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/key-issues-for-the-new-parliament/value-for-money-in-public-services/the-ageing-population/ It’s making assumption that we won't increase our retirement age, increase the retirement age because we are fitter and healthier for longer and everything on the site becomes nonsense, they also haven’t taken into consideration that there are currently 8 million people economically inactive, that can and should be working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defunct Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Retirement ages have increased dramatically since the last election. The present regime are attempting to kill people off while they are still in work so that they can get even richer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 It’s making assumption that we won't increase our retirement age, increase the retirement age because we are fitter and healthier for longer and everything on the site becomes nonsense, they also haven’t taken into consideration that there are currently 8 million people economically inactive, that can and should be working. "The pensioner population is expected to rise despite the increase in the women’s state pension age to 65 between 2010 and 2020 and the increase for both men and women from 65 to 68 between 2024 and 2046. In 2008 there were 3.2 people of working age for every person of pensionable age. This ratio is projected to fall to 2.8 by 2033... ..It also stems from increased longevity – a man born in the UK in 1981 had a cohort life expectancy at birth of 84 years. For a boy born today, the figure is 89 years, and by 2030 it is projected to be 91. The trend for women is similar. A girl born in 1981 was expected to live for 89 years and one born today might expect to live to 92. Cohort projections suggest a girl born in 2030 might live to 95. Healthy life expectancy has not, however, increased as fast, resulting in proportionally greater demands on public services such as the NHS." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted July 7, 2012 Author Share Posted July 7, 2012 . This ratio is projected to fall to 2.8 by 2033... There are 1.8 people working now for every pensioner and economically inactive person, all we need to do is get the economically inactive into work and off benefits and there isn't a problem. Whilst ever we have unemployed, increasing the population can only make the problem worse. We have also over resent years pushed 16 year olds into further education so getting them into work at 16 will also alleviate the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrangaroo Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 There's evidence to suggest that the population has decreased in the UK along with the birth rate, part of the reason for this has been a growing number of immigrants returning home because of the recession and a reluctance with young professional couples wanting children. There are less teenage births now and women in general are waiting until they are older before having children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 There are 1.8 people working now for every pensioner and economically inactive person, all we need to do is get the economically inactive into work and off benefits and there isn't a problem. You do realise that "economically inactive" includes retired millionaires, people too ill to work, and those who are busy raising families? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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