Funky_Gibbon Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I was under the impression labour wanted Lords reform, any idea why they changed their mind. They didn't. They voted against the restriction on time alloted to debate the substance of the policy. Parliament is supposed debate the substance, particularly with huge constitutional changes. Restricting debate leads to bad legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky_Gibbon Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 But isn't a government full of independent thinkers better than a government full of yes men that follow the leader. If only we'd had them when they were ramming through the NHS 'reforms'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 They haven't. They just want it done properly and not railroaded through. If I was cynical I'd say that LibDems holding 15 year seats in the lords gives them some potential hooks on power that they might not have in the commons in coming years. Especially after their numbers in the commons are severely restricted after the next election. But they’ve been discussing it for years and by now they must have plenty of ideas on how to reform it, 10 days to of debate to come to a final decision is more than enough time to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 But they’ve been discussing it for years and by now they must have plenty of ideas on how to reform it, 10 days to of debate to come to a final decision is more than enough time to. I suspect that the Tories got exactly what they wanted. They didn't want the reforms, that was Labour's baby. The Tories were forced into this vote by the LDs. They gave it just enough support to ensure they showed willing but to ensure the motion was defeated. They have to thank Labour for their help in chucking out the ammendments, without it the bill could have got through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoatwobbler Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 They didn't. They voted against the restriction on time alloted to debate the substance of the policy. Parliament is supposed debate the substance, particularly with huge constitutional changes. Restricting debate leads to bad legislation. Agree 100% with that. Too much legislation is rushed through with bad consequences at the moment. That alone is enough to welcome MP's voting against this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Agree 100% with that. Too much legislation is rushed through with bad consequences at the moment. That alone is enough to welcome MP's voting against this. It was probably put in by the tories as a sucker punch to stop Labour MPs voting for it. It sounds like they caught them hook line and sinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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