"Rape not the rapists' fault - It's the world's fault"

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I agree with erebus

I don't. If you have a point to make then do it. But do it objectively and fairly don't slander all men as being rapists and paedophiles or make out they condone rape and paedophilia, thats disgusting and grossly offensive and wildly inaccurate

[skinz]

It seems the topic has gone a little off kilter. This isn't so much about banning, or porn being right or wrong. It also seems that many of the adults on here need to justify their own experience and need/desire for porn...don't, porn is not real, it's a fantasy and there's nothing wrong in fantasies..mostly. This isn't about how access should be controlled regarding pornography on an adult level, but how we as adults allow that access to children. I'm certainly not an advocate of wiping porn of the face of the earth..it would be dim to suggest and a little disingenuous, let alone hypocritical.

 

What effect it has on us as adults and what possible consequence it could have on a young mind are not the same thing. So I ask, let's not justify the need for our own preferences as adults but keep on topic regarding children, otherwise this'll become another porn thread catering to the whims of porn advocates.

[skinz]

True that. There is some porn out there that values women so highly they are portrayed as sexually and intellectually superior, domineering goddesses.

 

...so I've heard anyway.

 

I think you meant a lot.. It's a male fantasy delivered by the industry. You'd be hard pushed to find a porn film where the domineering sex goddess is 18 stone,in a pinny, Nora batty leggings and a hairnet ordering hubby to change a nappy after he's delivered the kids to school.

 

Maybe a niche in the market though.

[Suffragette1]

Sex crimes aside, you claim that porn normalises certain views. As porn is participated in by both men and women, why do you only claim it normalises the view that women are always up for it (which I don't believe anyway) but not the same for men? Perhaps women are gaining a normalised view that any man will be up for it with them, in the same way that you claim men are?

I never said that it wasn't the same for men, my point is that that perception has far wider and more damaging consequences for women. It reinforces the sexual objectification of women and strips us of sexual autonomy. Given that more men watch porn than women, the impact on us is far greater than the impact on men.

[Suffragette1]

It seems the topic has gone a little off kilter. This isn't so much about banning, or porn being right or wrong. It also seems that many of the adults on here need to justify their own experience and need/desire for porn...don't, porn is not real, it's a fantasy and there's nothing wrong in fantasies..mostly. This isn't about how access should be controlled regarding pornography on an adult level, but how we as adults allow access to children. I'm certainly not an advocate of wiping porn of the face of the earth..it would be dim to suggest and a little disingenuous, let alone hypocritical.

 

What effect it has on us as adults and what possible consequence it could have on a young mind are not the same thing. So I ask, let's not justify the need for our own preferences as adults but keep on topic regarding children, otherwise this'll become another porn thread catering to the whims of adults.

 

Therein lies the problem, children are far less equipped and mature enough to distinguish between the fantasy and reality.

[Suffragette1]

I don't. If you have a point to make then do it. But do it objectively and fairly don't slander all men as being rapists and paedophiles or make out they condone rape and paedophilia, thats disgusting and grossly offensive and wildly inaccurate

 

That is not how I read it at all and Erebus does make the point that this does not apply to all men.

[skinz]

Therein lies the problem, children are far less equipped and mature enough to distinguish between the fantasy and reality.

 

It's what I've been saying all along but the response is mainly a justification for adults and their need for porn..which to a point is irrelevant.

[Suffragette1]

How do you know?

 

Isn't it possibly that because men are less likely to report it that we don’t know the true scale of the problem.

That is a possibility, however, I have worked with numerous experts in the field.

 

ETA: I have worked with academics who have done loads of research on this as well as various psychologists, sex therapists, social workers and probation officers who provide front line services to people who have been abused as well as having worked with sex offenders. I do not doubt that there are plenty of men who dare not come forward or acknowledge what has happened to them, however, it is predominantly men who abuse and rape.

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That is not how I read it at all and Erebus does make the point that this does not apply to all men.

Really? Doesn't look that way to me

Just read how the MALES squeal, their personal innocence, and point the finger at women, for the male addiction to RAPE, MOLESTING CHILDREN, and the favorite pastime when P**sed in the UK, beating up the partner.

So be proud that its men that RAPE, its MEN that mainly love child porn, and molest their children in the comfort of their own home. Its instinct so that’s OK then???!!!

Its nothing personal, but its surely a male problem, as its a male behavior, but its hard to accept its mainly a male preserve, when squealing like pigs telling the world and other perverts how clean and innocent you all are.

Wake up, in general MALES have a problem, which they refuse as a group to address, it scares them to be associated with common male practices.

Seeing it as not their problem, when the reality such things like rape of women and children is a male thing

Don’t you just love a bit of male violence on TV where the fantasy is safe to watch?.

Males love porn, love child molesting which as we know is a family passtime, males rape and hardly ever get prosecuted, so that OK, gives the green light. Males love being violent to their partners, so do not be surprised by any retarded male attitude. Not all males of course but if there was a referendum, and all males who like children in various forms voted there would be more votes to legalise it than vote for a peatry in the election.

 

Wake up, in general MALES have a problem, which they refuse to address, seeing it as not their problem, when the reality is its a malke thng is rape, domestic violence, child porn, and the family favourite child abuse.

 

Now wait for the males to justify the fact it is not them, nor a gender problem.

Fair enough they've made some mealy mouthed attempt to say not all but basically they are saying all men are violent, are rapists or are paedophiles and the ones who aren't condone it and if there were to be vote to allow such things then we would vote in favour of such things. Thats a despicable thing to say.

[Suffragette1]

Really? Doesn't look that way to me

Fair enough they've made some mealy mouthed attempt to say not all but basically they are saying all men are violent, are rapists or are paedophiles and the ones who aren't condone it and if there were to be vote to allow such things then we would vote in favour of such things. Thats a despicable thing to say.

 

But it is predominantly men who commit sex crimes and look at how defensive some of the male posters on here are getting, which proves erebus's point. Instead of getting so defensive, condemn it. Just because you or whomever, views porn and is not a rapist, does not negate the fact that this a huge problem.